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m1a1fan
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@painter777 - 3 digit XB
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Hmm, my guess is that the little birdy told the seller it was most certainly an M2 marked receiver. I used to think stuff like that was my business, but now I just note and resist the urge to tell.
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painter777
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Anyone ever seen Inland XB 251 that Ruth reports was the only reported XB reported carbine numbered over 100, thus being the 101st Carbine in the XB block?
Curious if it had the same early 1/4" Mill cut that XB 271 has. CH-P777
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m1a1fan
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@sfal7418 - Thanks for sharing the link. I'm hoping to at least create a crude datasheet based on the pictures. It would be a shame if an Inland presentation had to go away. Found a letter once on this very subject, but didn't save it.
@painter777 - Did some interweb searching for XB 251 as listed in Ruth's book, but haven't found anything yet. Probably not new news to you and others, but there's a document that lists Inland presentation S/N's and recipient. Don't know much about it, how complete it is or if it contains information about XB 251 or XG 9 from the OP's link. XB 271 is in it though. Technically, XB 271 is really XB 27 and at some point...for some reason a 1 was added. Duplicate? Requested by recipient or relative? When the 1 was added? Dunno. Would be great to find XB 251 just to see how the "1" is stamped. IIRC, XB 25 is marked normally, except the "2" which is a font I've never seen on a carbine. |
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painter777
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XB 251 is a typo, no corrections found on the fix it list or in WB III. I believe in the book XB 251 was mean't to read XB271. I feel it's a duplicated serial number with the 1 added (1 being stamped off kilter). Not like they could add a X after the 27. Explains why it has the very early Mill cut and receiver marked like the 3 Newscotlander described.... #'s 18, 23 and 32. Being a very early receiver model it had to of been dug out of the shadows (or stashed away) to be built and being the last X carbine to be presented. Never underestimate what 3 brothers can pull off ! Unless destroyed there may still be a XB27 out there. That would be something to see ! I still believe the stock to be a 'Wide Curl Cherry', JMO, CH-P777
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m1a1fan
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Compiling a list of Inland presentations, including pictures, has been on the list and updated recently. Other than the 27k one, I really like the carved stock version.
Briefly looked into arrested malleablizing steel, but that's above my pay grade. More of a Dan thing than me and I think his theory is spot on including what appears to be new information about M1A1 parts. Good stuff! Asked a few Non Destructive Evaluation (NDE) guys I know about the TH composition identification possibilities, but no joy. Seems like it would require DE. Mr. Lucid's family is also on the research list, but nothing productive yet. This thread might be a good reminder for me to pick it up again as sometimes revisiting things bears fruit. Others have also mentioned the stock is cherry. I had it with me at the last RIR show, but got so busy jabbering on like a monkey in a tree, I forgot to show it to a woodworker for closer inspection. Maybe next show. I find presentations especially interesting since they were mostly cobbled together. Pin staked gas cylinder, unfinished TH without a recess. BTW, what a PITA to get the hammer plunger and spring back on. newscotlander or maybe welbytwo asked me if the receiver had a particular marking on it, but it didn't. Can't remember what the marking or characteristic was though. For presentations like XG 9, what a shame they can't be donated to a museum or an exception granted. I've found other similar examples in Canadian and British museums. I understand rules are rules though. I found the letter mentioned in a previous post via a carefully crafted Google search. |
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ncblksmth1
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Inland Presentation Carbine XF97 was a near mint carbine with the correct CARTOUCHE on the stock. Some of you can debate the mark if you want but its correct. I have personally seen XG7 and 2 others and they are made the same way with the cartouche. Remember these were put together after the contracts were ended.
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Bob
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wa***te
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Has it occurred to anyone besides me that the stock may have been replaced? This could have happened for any number of reasons. I’ve seen Paratrooper carbines with cracked stocks and M2s that were heavily sanded and then coated with varnish. Sometimes the owners, especially non- collectors, just want their carbines to look nice and function.
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Smokpole
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the mag catch drain hole on the left side of the receiver supposed to be a post WWII addition?
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Inland started using the type V trigger Housing (with drain hole) around the 5.3, 5.4 mil serial range.
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wa***te
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XD 87 has a cartouche. It’s an M2. Barrel date 8-45.
XC 52 (mine) has no cartouche. It’s an M1. Barrel date 10-44.
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David Albert
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ALL NFA RULES APPLY. David Albert dalbert@sturmgewehr.com |
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