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    Posted: Dec 11 2022 at 3:12pm
In the CCNLs (192, 196) there were 17 different marked muzzle covers reported.
The War Baby! 3 page has 15 variation (not including one reproduction)
Combined there are 22 different markings.

Two new markings have surfaced.

Hamelco/1944.
Hamelco Co. out of Port Chester NY had contracts for Web Harnesses, combat field packs, and duffel bags.

http://www.uscarbinecal30.com/forum/uploads/5600/SR_Hamelco1.JPG

http://www.uscarbinecal30.com/forum/uploads/5600/SR_Hamelco2.JPG

The stylized name would lead you to believe it is a combined name of Hamxxx Electric Co.
Below the name with date removed
http://www.uscarbinecal30.com/forum/uploads/5600/SR_Hamelco.jpg
 
All indications show the name was in fact Hamelco. The produced canvas items for both WW2 and Korean war.

Next we have Lyon & Coulson/1944. The name is partially obscured, but contracts were found for the company out of Buffalo NY. They produced ruck sacks and combat field packs.

http://www.uscarbinecal30.com/forum/uploads/5600/SR_Lyon.JPG
http://www.uscarbinecal30.com/forum/uploads/5600/SR_Lyon1.JPG

Both companies located  in NY. Both examples observed have United Carr fasteners, though others may be possible.
Looking through muzzle covers the United Carr fasteners often had very week stampings and sometimes they appear to have not stamping.
http://www.uscarbinecal30.com/forum/uploads/5600/IMG_0228.JPG

These were short lived items. As we learn from CCNL 383-11 this was replaced by "Tape, cellulose, muzzle."

On the known muzzle covers there is B.L '44 which I have observed. then there is B.B. Co. '44 and B.B. Co. 1944. Has anyone observed the latter two, or is this an error in reporting?

Has anyone observed any other markings that have not been reported?




Edited by New2brass - Dec 11 2022 at 3:28pm
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I haven't gone through them in a while but here's what I have wrote down for my collection.  As far as I know they are all genuine but I have been fooled before. Note some are same mfg but another year so if I counted right I come up with 26 mfgs plus one unmarked.   As a side note, I read Lyon & Coulson are the makers of the L&C M6 scabbards.  Let me know if you want me to get these out and look at something specific.

    1. Victory Mfg. INC. 1944 
    2. Victory 1944
    3. WLMC 1944 and a WLMC. 1944 Are both the same with period?
    4. TWEEDIE 1944 
    5. Robey Tackle Co. 1944 (one has R stitched in seam)
    6. KANAK CO. 1943 
    7. KANAK CO. 1944
    8. E.A. BROWN MFG. CO. 1944 
    9. LYON & COULSON 1944  
    10. DAVE MFG. CO. 1944 
    11. B.L. '44
    12. HAV. STCH. CO. 1944 
    13. CHAMPION CANVAS SUPPLIES - 1944 
    14. HamelcO 19-44
    15. Luce Manufacturing Co  1944
    16. B.B.S. CO.  1944 (2)
    17. NASCO AWNINGS, 1944 
    18. Unmarked one with the OD3 strap.  Was told by seller (?) these appear to be an earlier model due to color, and are most likely 1943 pattern.
    19. S. FROEHLICH CO. Inc. N.Y.C. 1944
    20. KAMEN PROD. 1944
    21. LAIRD SCHOBER 1944
    22. J. A. SHOE 1944
    23. A-G CORP. 1944
    24. HARIAN 1944
    25. CENTRAL 1944
    26. W.L. DUMAS MFG. CO. 1944
    27. B.B.CO. 1944
    28. GAILEE 1944
    29. CHARLES 1943
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Here's a website with some mfgs.  I think they are a French site.  They have a few more and additional years.  I do believe their "Bobey" is Robey later in the list.  As we all know sometimes the ink stamps are hard to read. 
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Originally posted by sling00 sling00 wrote:

I haven't gone through them in a while but here's what I have wrote down for my collection.  As far as I know they are all genuine but I have been fooled before. Note some are same mfg but another year so if I counted right I come up with 26 mfgs plus one unmarked.   As a side note, I read Lyon & Coulson are the makers of the L&C M6 scabbards.  Let me know if you want me to get these out and look at something specific.

    1. Victory Mfg. INC. 1944 
    2. Victory 1944
    3. WLMC 1944 and a WLMC. 1944 Are both the same with period?
    4. TWEEDIE 1944 
    5. Robey Tackle Co. 1944 (one has R stitched in seam)
    6. KANAK CO. 1943 
    7. KANAK CO. 1944
    8. E.A. BROWN MFG. CO. 1944 
    9. LYON & COULSON 1944  
    10. DAVE MFG. CO. 1944 
    11. B.L. '44
    12. HAV. STCH. CO. 1944 
    13. CHAMPION CANVAS SUPPLIES - 1944 
    14. HamelcO 19-44
    15. Luce Manufacturing Co  1944
    16. B.B.S. CO.  1944 (2)
    17. NASCO AWNINGS, 1944 
    18. Unmarked one with the OD3 strap.  Was told by seller (?) these appear to be an earlier model due to color, and are most likely 1943 pattern.
    19. S. FROEHLICH CO. Inc. N.Y.C. 1944
    20. KAMEN PROD. 1944
    21. LAIRD SCHOBER 1944
    22. J. A. SHOE 1944
    23. A-G CORP. 1944
    24. HARIAN 1944
    25. CENTRAL 1944
    26. W.L. DUMAS MFG. CO. 1944
    27. B.B.CO. 1944
    28. GAILEE 1944
    29. CHARLES 1943

Impressive collection. Getting pictures of each of those would be a great reference resource for the forum.
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Haven't done any pics in a while.  Let's try groups...  Next to bottom, 3rd from left has no mfg. I flipped them directly over to show orientation of back mfg stamps versus US.
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Sam, Thanks for posting pics.
I started a list and added what you have along with what was on the list from the French site.
They have a lot of 1943 dates listed, but they use the term "manufacturing Information" which may have been contract dates.

So I did not add any 1943 that I have not see a picture of or prior reports.
We are up to 37 marking variations
The list I noted what if from the LR collection. I will be taking pictures of these and will post them
The rest that are marked "Need Pic" I would welcome any decent closeups of as well as anything we missed.

the last column I noted the fastener markings. As stated I believe the unmarked in many cases is United Carr. Given the limited number I have observed I would expect there be other manufacturers used. If you look at the Champion Canvas, both United Carr and Scoville were used.

A - G Corp.
 1944		 TAN
B.B.  Co.
1944		 TAN
B.B.  Co.
'44		 TAN NEED PIC
B.B.S. CO.
1944

B.L. '44 TAN
E.A.BROWN
MFG.CO.
1944		 TAN
E.A.BROWN
MFG.CO.
1944
(different E and spacing)		 TAN
CENTRAL
1944		 TAN
C.F. of A. Inc  1943-1944
NEED PIC
CHAMPION CANVAS
SUPPLIES-1944		 TAN
CHARLES
1943		 TAN
DAVE MFG. CO
1944		 TAN
DAVE MFG. CO
1945		 GREEN NEED PIC
W.L. DUMAS MFG CO.
1944		 TAN
DUMAS
44
NEED PIC
S. FROELCH CO. Inc
N.Y.C.       1944		 TAN
GAILEE 1944 TAN
HAMELCO
1944		 TAN
Harian
1944		 TAN
HAV. STCH. C0
1944		 GREEN
Kadin
NEED PIC
KAMEN PROD.
1944		 GREEN
KANAK CO.
1943		 TAN
KANAK CO.
1944		 TAN
Laird Schober
1944		 TAN
Laird Schober Co. Inc
1944
NEED PIC
Luce
 Mfg. Co
1944		 TAN
LYON & COULSON
1944		 TAN
NASCO AWNINGS,
1944		 TAN
ROBEY TACKLE CO.
1944		 TAN
J.A. SHOE
1944		 GREEN
TWEEDIE 1944 TAN
VICTORY MFG. INC.
1944		 TAN
VICTORY
1944		 TAN
WLMC
1944		 TAN
WLMC.
1944		 TAN
U.S.
unmarked		 TAN





















































































































































































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I was not familiar with Tape, Cellulose, Muzzle Cover.
Here's some photos which came from an original package sold on ebay at some point in the past.
Packaging

Box with instructions

Roll of tape
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Hey Dan,
Do you want pics posted on here or emailed somewhere?  
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@Matt, great find!

@sling00, if you could email pics of both sides. I will crop and size and join the front and back so all pictures are the same size for posting.
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First time hearing of this myself! Now I'm going to have to hunt down me a roll in a box
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Well again I learned something from this group. and that's a good thing (Big Smile)

First I learned that to keep water out of the barrel, I assume, during landings instead of the normal prophylactic.  Tape across the barrel was used.

Second is that the Minnesota Mining and Manufacturing Company is actually the 3M Company that I have known all my life. (Never knew what 3M stood for)

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List has been updated with an additional variation of E.A. Brown.
Pis to follow.
Missing pics of 6 of them as well as anything not on the list.
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Originally posted by New2brass New2brass wrote:

...additional variation of E.A. Brown.
Good catch!  Never noticed that before.  One of mine has the straight sided E and no space in MFG.CO.
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I agree, looks great.

Feel free to do whatever with the photos I posted.  They came from a 'worthpoint' webpage which captured an older ebay sale. 

I think @Da1Chief is probably correct when he wrote the tape was for beach landings. 
This is just a guess on my part, but it makes sense that the tape would be intended for situations where
 a) Very large numbers of small arms needed protection at the same time. 
 b) The arms and soldiers were in a relatively clean environment.

Out on campaign, especially in muddy or snowy conditions, the canvas covers likely are much easier to use when there is no real dry and clean shelter.   Odds are they wouldn't get shot through, but could be if needed. 

Contrast that with a beach landing or similar operation where it would be considered likely a fair number of the covers to get shot through. 

Be great if we can find any photos, accounts, or official documentation on the tape's use.

Two photos of the canvas muzzle covers in use appear in the Photo of the Day thread.

We've posted two images in the Photo of the day thread showing the canvas covers in use.   Cool
One from Dan here
 
another taken in Italy April 1945



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Nice pic! It was used in the NLs. Marty pointed out some stuff on the the guy behind the Mule.
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A few of the duplicate muzzle covers from the LR collection will be listed on eBay.
The ones that are pictured in the other thread and say Larry Ruth Collection will eventually be listed
We would consider offers on them. It would be nice if they stayed together in someones collection, if not we are open to offering them individually.
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"the last column I noted the fastener markings. "
Scoville snaps on a
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