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   Good Afternoon Carbine collectors forum. First let me extend my thanks for allowing me to join this great forum. I have already learned much in the few days I have been a member from reading all the great posts (past & present). 
With that, I would like to ask 2 quick questions. 

1) I am interested in knowing if anybody has seen other carbine barrels with offset (Not centered to the front site) date and maker markings. All the carbines I own and others I have seen tend to have the markings on top and relatively centered to the F-site.  Attached is photo of an example where its offset a bit. Normally this would suggest to me that the barrel was replaced with other types of rifles but since the carbines front site location on the barrel is notched, I assume that this might be ok. Thoughts?

2) If the rec and recoil plates finish don't match or relatively close in finish does that suggest replacement of the recoil plate ?  

Thank you In advance

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cole44 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Recruit Joined: Dec 11 2020 Location: SC Status: Offline Points: 28	Post Options Post Reply Quote cole44 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: New Member - Quick questions Posted: Dec 15 2020 at 2:20pm
	Good Afternoon Carbine collectors forum. First let me extend my thanks for allowing me to join this great forum. I have already learned much in the few days I have been a member from reading all the great posts (past & present). With that, I would like to ask 2 quick questions. 1) I am interested in knowing if anybody has seen other carbine barrels with offset (Not centered to the front site) date and maker markings. All the carbines I own and others I have seen tend to have the markings on top and relatively centered to the F-site. Attached is photo of an example where its offset a bit. Normally this would suggest to me that the barrel was replaced with other types of rifles but since the carbines front site location on the barrel is notched, I assume that this might be ok. Thoughts? 2) If the rec and recoil plates finish don't match or relatively close in finish does that suggest replacement of the recoil plate ? Thank you In advance

W5USMC Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Moderator Group Joined: Apr 29 2017 Location: Missouri Status: Offline Points: 2959	Post Options Post Reply Quote W5USMC Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: Dec 15 2020 at 3:09pm
	Welcome to the forum. Is the keyway on your barrel lined up under the center of the sight? I swear I have seen that barrel with the offset marking or one like it recently in a discussion somewhere, just can't find it right now.
	Wayne USMC Retired NRA Life Member

cole44 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Recruit Joined: Dec 11 2020 Location: SC Status: Offline Points: 28	Post Options Post Reply Quote cole44 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: Dec 15 2020 at 3:39pm
	Thank you for the reply. I don't own this Carbine, its one I was looking at. It was recently for sale on one of the auction sites claiming to be untouched. I have never seen a carbine with the markings off top center that hasn't been messed with which is why I am asking the experts here :) It would appear to me that the barrel was changed at some point but that is based on my own observation.

W5USMC Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Moderator Group Joined: Apr 29 2017 Location: Missouri Status: Offline Points: 2959	Post Options Post Reply Quote W5USMC Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: Dec 15 2020 at 4:02pm
	I knew I saw that thing before, see below link. Authentic/original? - CMP Forums (thecmp.org)
	Wayne USMC Retired NRA Life Member

cole44 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Recruit Joined: Dec 11 2020 Location: SC Status: Offline Points: 28	Post Options Post Reply Quote cole44 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: Dec 15 2020 at 4:25pm
	Hi Wayne and Thank you so much for sharing the link to this past post. It appears my gut was correct in terms of what the seller was trying to pass this off as. Although I am no expert, I do have a few Scott Duff carbines in my collection that I can refer to for some comparison. However, I don't have an early Winchester so from that perspective I did not have something I could directly compare this to.

Smokpole Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Hard Corps Joined: Oct 21 2019 Location: Madison ohio Status: Offline Points: 1057	Post Options Post Reply Quote Smokpole Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: Dec 15 2020 at 5:08pm
	This one doesn't pass the smell test. Stock doesn't look right. The high wood is too thick. The stock markings just don't look right. Butt plate is more worn than the rest of the carbine. The Ws stamped on all of the parts seem like they are slightly off sized from what I've seen on other Winchesters. There are just too many things that don't look quite right to me.
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kro1970 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List On Point Joined: Jan 01 2016 Location: Central Florida Status: Offline Points: 301	Post Options Post Reply Quote kro1970 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: Dec 15 2020 at 6:35pm
	I don't know who Cole 502 is but between this one and the one from SamTbob he's dropped 10K.

painter777 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Hard Corps Joined: Feb 18 2016 Location: Central MI Status: Offline Points: 1718	Post Options Post Reply Quote painter777 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: Dec 15 2020 at 11:25pm
	It's not a Stock or Hand Guard made by Winchester. Countless tells if you compare them to known originals. Wood Has Repro stampings. Recoil plate screw barely caught enough threads to tighten. Some unusual Bidding that went on and on extending the auction time ending. Be interesting to see if any feedback is left. 'AS IS - No refund or exchange'
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