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Bagsfan2
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Posted: May 23 2020 at 8:12pm |
New guy needs a little help on a Quality Hardware Carbine I'm buying.
The S/N: 1,642,3XX, which should put it in the second block? It has an Underwood Barrel dated 2-44. It also has an I - cut stock, but low wood stock. Is this possible? |
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Horrible_Aim
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Just learned this from another poster here -- they cut down the I-cut stocks, it's correct and normal. Mine is the same.
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tenOCEE
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For Quality it would have certain markings in the left side sling cut. RMC is probably what you would see for QHMC.
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W5USMC
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It is not "correct", there are no original I cut low wood stocks. If you have an I cut stock that has been cut down to low wood the carbine most likely went through a rebuild or at least the stock did.
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Bagsfan2
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Yes, there is a RMC in the sling well. No other marks were noted on the stock.
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Bagsfan2
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I found these numbers on another post. This puts my receiver somewhere around Jun 43. Would a 2-44 barrel match up, or would it have been re-barreled? is there another source? Hard to believe they pushed out 100K M1 in a single month. Downright amazing.
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1,550,000 - 1,562,519 (Feb. 1943 - May 1943) 1,562,520 - 1,662,519 (June 1943) 1,850,040 - 1,907,519 (July 1943 - Aug. 1943) 4,432,100 - 4,532,099 (Sept. 1943) 4,632,100 - 4,879,525 (Sept. 1943 - May 1944) |
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kro1970
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I believe your serial number would have had an 8-43 barrel.
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tenOCEE
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A 2-44 would be in the 4.80 ish range. Inland, anyway. Not Underwood.
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03manV
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Horrible,
I believe what the guys are saying is that there are too many "exceptions" noted in that carbine for it to have left the factory that way. It is either a rebuild/rebarrel by the govt. or a later put together/semi "corrected" by someone. JMHO.
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Bagsfan2
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Thanks for everyone's input. I bought this one from Cabelas in NE after finding it on Guns International.
The GI.com ad states a 3 day inspection and return policy. It should arrive some time next week. I may have to put the return policy to the test.
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03manV
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I guess that would depend on what price you paid. It should/could be a good shooter or example carbine.
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Don
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Horrible_Aim
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Thanks 03manV -- my understanding was that they were cut down during rebuild. My Winchester has a flip sight and type 2 barrel band with the same modified I-cut stock. Guess it depends whether this one was advertised as original.
Were there ever partial post-war rebuilds? E.g. only an updated stock with sights and barrel band left intact. Appreciate all the info here guys.
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tenOCEE
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There were rebuild stamped stocks that didn't get cut down. I've got a couple of those around. Two are RSGs from different rebuild contracts. The Austrian/Bavarian returns largely survived without bayonet bands. White bags retained some early features.
Edited by tenOCEE - May 24 2020 at 1:33pm |
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Bagsfan2
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I also found this Standard Product Carbine at the Cabelas Gun Library in VA. It has the same stock issues.
But has the flip safety. |
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Jamesicus
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Quick “down and dirty” snapshots of National Postal Meter rebuild with I cut/high wood stock. Removal of the “High Wood” thin strip was discretionary. Just FYI, Overseas Depot Rebuilds were not stamped as such.
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Smokpole
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Guys! Don't assume the cut down high wood necessarily went through a rebuild. Sometimes the thin wood could start to split and I would be cut down by the unit armorer to prevent further damage. Inspect the work carefully. You may find indications that it was NOT done at a rebuild facility like an uneven cut down or remnants of a split. While it wasn't common, it did happen, so don't be too hasty in calling it a rebuild.
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Jamesicus
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+1
From TM 9-1276/TO 39A-5AD-2, February 1953: By this time, the modification could only be done via Depot Maintenance. Edited by Jamesicus - May 24 2020 at 6:44pm |
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tenOCEE
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Whether it's a normal rebuild or a salvage job, the value of what it was is equivalent to a rebuild. If there's no cartouche and the barrel is nowhere near correct, it's really wouldn't make any difference how it because low wood.
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