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    Posted: Mar 12 2020 at 1:57pm
Back in October I had quite a few posts with members about a Carbine I had inherited. All were very helpful and informative. Hadn't done anything with the rifle since then. I recently thought about replacing the unfinished barrel with a finished Parkerized barrel and sent rifle to DGR to break down, inspect and get cost to replace. It turns out the receiver (WRA) needs replaced. Unbeknownst until barrel was removed was that front of receiver had been filed by someone causing barrel to not align index markings properly. Index markings go past alignment when only hand tightened. Does anyone have a receiver for sale? Or, can anyone suggest best reputable place to find one? Want to make sure it is USGI standard since all other parts are. Thanks.  Bob
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Talk to Colin on CMP forum. He has lots of receivers at good prices.
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Yes, Colin has receivers for sale. There is an alternative and I understand the Garand guys are familiar, but the barrel can be peened in the neck area to tighten it up. Another alternative would be shims. Neither of those seem attractive, but they are available. I know a carbine professional (my words) that has used shims and he is a forum member here.
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How do people feel about shims? Someone on this site sent me some that he punched out for use on an assembly that I had the same issue of over indexing. Been looking for the rest of the shims for several weeks now.
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Edited by tenOCEE - Mar 12 2020 at 6:46pm
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I know a Engineer/collector who uses the washers and stands by them. I can't recall what he made his from.
 
Other fixes I've heard about are slightly tap/roll the outer top edge of the barrel ring in front of the threads and then it gets crushed back to shape when assembled.

Lastly a series of dimples raised on top of the barrel's shoulder. Like pictured below. I believe I also seen this method in a early CC NL.

My first attempt would be a washer. If it doesn't work.. No harm, no foul and no obvious damage.

I remember seeing a barrel on auction that I asked about that had peened up dimples:




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Originally posted by tenOCEE tenOCEE wrote:

How do people feel about shims? Someone on this site sent me some that he punched out for use on an assembly that I had the same issue of over indexing. Been looking for the rest of the shims for several weeks now.

If you cannot find them I still have some material to pop out more.

Shims are used on some firearms so I see no problem using them if done correctly.
It is a better and more consistent method than punching the shoulder as the coverage is closer to 100% vs. the less then 10% coverage of punch marks. 




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Shims are often used to tighten-up S&W revolver end-shake. I have heard of guys using a strand of copper wire in carbine actions, but a shim would be much better.

Dan....do you punch them out, or just have the material? I have a action that is right on the edge of being a little loosie-goosie. It will index, but barely. 
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I found them, Dan, at least the remaining thinner ones you punched out for me. If he needs some thin ones I can forward to him.
How did you make these anyway? A press? They seem like a great fix.

EDIT: I can send you a couple, floyd...
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PM on the way.

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@ Dan and Ten,
I found this old link on the CMP where mention of McMaster-Carr were mentioned in reply #15 as a supplier of Washers, Carbon Steel and Brass.

Steel: 0.002 thick, 3/4" ID, 1-1/8th OD Part Number: 3088a164
Steel: 0.003 thick,  3/4" ID, 1-1/8th OD Part Number: 3088a184

Stainless, Brass and Aluminum are also listed.
Here is a link to their Washer/Ring Shims listings below....

McMaster-Carr:
Carbon Steel ones start about 1/2 way down the page link. Brass near the bottom.

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I use a shim punch jig. i made up a bushing that centers the precious cut piece to wind up with a washer.



Charlie, thanks for the link. I used to have a local machine shop supply that I could get them at. Time sent them the way of the dinosaur.
Shim Punch & Die Set   Type: Punch & Die Set    Diameter Range (Inch): 1/8 - 3/4
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Originally posted by rstilley rstilley wrote:

Back in October I had quite a few posts with members about a Carbine I had inherited. All were very helpful and informative. Hadn't done anything with the rifle since then. I recently thought about replacing the unfinished barrel with a finished Parkerized barrel and sent rifle to DGR to break down, inspect and get cost to replace. It turns out the receiver (WRA) needs replaced. Unbeknownst until barrel was removed was that front of receiver had been filed by someone causing barrel to not align index markings properly. Index markings go past alignment when only hand tightened. Does anyone have a receiver for sale? Or, can anyone suggest best reputable place to find one?

rstilley,
Thought I'd pull up your first post about this one so it's all in one spot.
Along with the link to your pictures.



Question for you...... Did the Carbine function/shoot when you first inherited it ?

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Originally posted by painter777 painter777 wrote:

[QUOTE Question for you...... Did the Carbine function/shoot when you first inherited it ?

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Charlie has an interesting question. Depending on how far off the timing is, it may have functioned just fine. Some people swear by the alignment marks and others don’t. I view the marks as “good enough for government work” and are correct most of the time. However, the carbine can function just fine if they are a little off.  I think that if we knew how far off they were it would help with the diagnosis here. Based on a clock-face, each minute-mark is 6-degrees. Can you screw the barrel in and determine how far it’s off? As opposed to spending a bunch of $, a little peening or shimming may fix your problem as long as head space can be achieved. I just went thru this with a action that would index on the marks, but very mushy in fit. A 15-degree shim made all the difference in the world. I slightly under-rotated the index marks to better align the rear sight in the process. Carbines will function flawlessly with the index marks out of alignment...within reason.


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Also wondering why he thought the Marlin barrel was unfinished?

Is a picture of the WRA receiver and it's 'File marks' available?

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