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List of 248 Carbine Serials from SAMCO Bankruptcy

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    Posted: Aug 17 2019 at 7:39pm
Many of us remember SAMCO Global Arms, Inc. in Miami as a former surplus firearm dealer who went bankrupt in 2015. I bought several items from them, beginning in the 1980's. When they went bankrupt, an asset list was generated, which included descriptions of all items, including serial numbers of their firearms. The list is 475 pages long, with tens of thousands of various firearm serial numbers. I have transposed 6 pages below of M1 Carbines that were included.

I've had this list for a few years now, as I was asked at the time to evaluate potential acquisition of all assets by a friend of mine...The document is dated 12/8/15.

Anyway, I think it's appropriate to make these serial numbers available to the collector community. These were acquired by Century, and may have already been sold. Perhaps someone here will spot a serial of a Carbine they have recently acquired. It would also be good to analyze the data for conformance to known serial number ranges.

Manufacturer     Serial Number     SAMCO Acquisition Date     Acquired From
I.B.M.     766651     10/30/85     Century
I.B.M.     3666785     5/14/86     
I.B.M.     3680021     5/14/86     
I.B.M.     3686129     5/14/86     
I.B.M.     3687096     5/14/86     
I.B.M.     3726610     10/30/85     Century
I.B.M.     3770690     5/14/86     
I.B.M.     3800956     5/14/86     
I.B.M.     3836692     5/14/86     
I.B.M.     3850437     5/14/86     
I.B.M.     3855022     5/14/86     
I.B.M.     3871424     5/14/86     
I.B.M.     3925701     10/30/85     Century
I.B.M.     3961194     10/30/85     Century
Inland     15652     5/14/86     
Inland     79758     10/30/85     Century
Inland     90839     5/14/86     
Inland     173890     5/14/86     
Inland     252743     5/14/86     
Inland     289241     5/14/86     
Inland     316063     5/14/86     
Inland     367497     5/14/86     
Inland     394204     5/14/86     
Inland     478875     5/14/86     
Inland     531118     5/14/86     
Inland     588855     5/14/86     
Inland     654924     10/30/85     Century
Inland     689525     5/14/86     
Inland     773102     10/30/85     Century
Inland     897832     5/14/86     
Inland     948007     5/14/86     
Inland     977567     5/14/86     
Inland     988000     5/14/86     
Inland     997444     5/14/86     
Inland     2915464     5/14/86     
Inland     2947571     5/14/86     
Inland     2983279     5/14/86     
Inland     4898580     5/14/86     
Inland     4954303     5/14/86     
Inland     4967835     5/14/86     
Inland     5016455     5/14/86     
Inland     5124713     5/14/86     
Inland     5189432     5/14/86     
Inland     5208578     5/14/86     
Inland     5209635     5/14/86     
Inland     5214358     5/14/86     
Inland     5244496     5/14/86     
Inland     5250090     5/14/86     
Inland     5253878     5/14/86     
Inland     5265480     5/14/86     
Inland     5278468     5/14/86     
Inland     5288084     5/14/86     
Inland     5363138     5/14/86     
Inland     5373182     5/14/86     
Inland     5491149     5/14/86     
Inland     5510617     10/30/85     Century
Inland     6224760     10/30/85     Century
Inland     6232931     10/30/85     Century
Inland     6398356     5/14/86     
Inland     6442229     10/30/85     Century
Inland     6649251     5/14/86     
Inland     6669182     5/14/86     
Inland     6700887     5/14/86     
Inland     6805245     5/14/86     
National Postal Meter     1493928     5/14/86     
National Postal Meter     1541156     5/14/86     
National Postal Meter     1541967     5/14/86     
National Postal Meter     1955747     5/14/86     
National Postal Meter     1973244     5/14/86     
National Postal Meter     4083302     5/14/86     
National Postal Meter     4101395     5/14/86     
National Postal Meter     4104151     5/14/86     
National Postal Meter     4148425     5/14/86     
National Postal Meter     4195060     5/14/86     
National Postal Meter     4428153     5/14/86     
National Postal Meter     4428531     5/14/86     
National Postal Meter     6628532     5/14/86     
Plainfield (Commercial)     2890     5/14/86     
Plainfield (Commercial)     9079     5/14/86     
Plainfield (Commercial)     9082     5/14/86     
Plainfield (Commercial)     9088     5/14/86     
Plainfield (Commercial)     9090     5/14/86     
Plainfield (Commercial)     9096     5/14/86     
Plainfield (Commercial)     9097     5/14/86     
Plainfield (Commercial)     9098     5/14/86     
Plainfield (Commercial)     9101     5/14/86     
Plainfield (Commercial)     9112     5/14/86     
Plainfield (Commercial)     9115     5/14/86     
Plainfield (Commercial)     9116     5/14/86     
Plainfield (Commercial)     9126     5/14/86     
Plainfield (Commercial)     9134     5/14/86     
Plainfield (Commercial)     9136     5/14/86     
Plainfield (Commercial)     9139     5/14/86     
Plainfield (Commercial)     9140     5/14/86     
Plainfield (Commercial)     9167     5/14/86     
Plainfield (Commercial)     9168     5/14/86     
Plainfield (Commercial)     9171     5/14/86     
Plainfield (Commercial)     9173     5/14/86     
Plainfield (Commercial)     9175     5/14/86     
Plainfield (Commercial)     9189     5/14/86     
Plainfield (Commercial)     9190     5/14/86     
Plainfield (Commercial)     9198     5/14/86     
Plainfield (Commercial)     9217     5/14/86     
Plainfield (Commercial)     9221     5/14/86     
Plainfield (Commercial)     9225     5/14/86     
Plainfield (Commercial)     9229     5/14/86     
Plainfield (Commercial)     9238     5/14/86     
Plainfield (Commercial)     9239     5/14/86     
Plainfield (Commercial)     9245     5/14/86     
Plainfield (Commercial)     9250     5/14/86     
Plainfield (Commercial)     9257     5/14/86     
Plainfield (Commercial)     9262     5/14/86     
Plainfield (Commercial)     9273     5/14/86     
Plainfield (Commercial)     9277     5/14/86     
Plainfield (Commercial)     9278     5/14/86     
Plainfield (Commercial)     9284     5/14/86     
Plainfield (Commercial)     9296     5/14/86     
Plainfield (Commercial)     9297     5/14/86     
Plainfield (Commercial)     9299     5/14/86     
Plainfield (Commercial)     9303     5/14/86     
Plainfield (Commercial)     9308     5/14/86     
Plainfield (Commercial)     9311     5/14/86     
Plainfield (Commercial)     9331     5/14/86     
Plainfield (Commercial)     9339     5/14/86     
Plainfield (Commercial)     9343     5/14/86     
Plainfield (Commercial)     9348     5/14/86     
Plainfield (Commercial)     9349     5/14/86     
Plainfield (Commercial)     9362     5/14/86     
Plainfield (Commercial)     9363     5/14/86     
Quality Hardware     1555728     5/14/86     
Quality Hardware     1572554     5/14/86     
Quality Hardware     1637090     10/30/85     Century
Quality Hardware     1641715     5/14/86     
Quality Hardware     1935925     5/14/86     
Quality Hardware     4797053     5/14/86     
Quality Hardware     4810364     5/14/86     
Quality Hardware     4815936     5/14/86     
Quality Hardware     4844122     5/14/86     
Rockola     1665098     5/14/86     
Rockola     1728855     5/14/86     
Rockola     4574530     5/14/86     
Rockola     4591852     5/14/86     
Rockola     4623595     5/14/86     
Rockola     6073666     5/14/86     
Saginaw     1790842     10/30/85     Century
Saginaw     1861648     5/14/86     
Saginaw     3308741     5/14/86     
Saginaw     3342542     10/30/85     Century
Saginaw     3343245     5/14/86     
Saginaw     3383584     5/14/86     
Saginaw     3399350     5/14/86     
Saginaw     3403872     5/14/86     
Saginaw     3433558     5/14/86     
Saginaw     3458978     5/14/86     
Saginaw     3527782     5/14/86     
Saginaw     3552886     5/14/86     
Saginaw     3582512     5/14/86     
Saginaw     3588388     5/14/86     
Saginaw     3596218     5/14/86     
Saginaw     3643136     5/14/86     
Standard Products     2025678     5/14/86     
Standard Products     2085104     5/14/86     
Standard Products     2160786     5/14/86     
Standard Products     33825     5/14/86     
Underwood     1393232     5/14/86     
Underwood     1421649     5/14/86     
Underwood     1441134     5/14/86     
Underwood     2353974     5/14/86     
Underwood     2461070     5/14/86     
Underwood     2481241     10/30/85     Century
Underwood     2576047     5/14/86     
Underwood     2580595     5/14/86     
Underwood     2643687     5/14/86     
Underwood     2651824     5/14/86     
Underwood     2663875     5/14/86     
Underwood     2768000     5/14/86     
Underwood     2881788     5/14/86     
Underwood     2902491     5/14/86     
Underwood     4061276     5/14/86     
Underwood     6105708     5/14/86     
Underwood     6105725     5/14/86     
Underwood     6115380     5/14/86     
Universal (Commercial)     113037     5/14/86     
Universal (Commercial)     117688     5/14/86     
Universal (Commercial)     117699     5/14/86     
Universal (Commercial)     117711     5/14/86     
Universal (Commercial)     117717     5/14/86     
Universal (Commercial)     117735     5/14/86     
Universal (Commercial)     117736     5/14/86     
Universal (Commercial)     117737     5/14/86     
Universal (Commercial)     117738     5/14/86     
Universal (Commercial)     117754     5/14/86     
Universal (Commercial)     117777     5/14/86     
Universal (Commercial)     117778     5/14/86     
Universal (Commercial)     117789     5/14/86     
Universal (Commercial)     117794     5/14/86     
Universal (Commercial)     117795     5/14/86     
Universal (Commercial)     117796     5/14/86     
Universal (Commercial)     117798     5/14/86     
Universal (Commercial)     117805     5/14/86     
Universal (Commercial)     117811     5/14/86     
Universal (Commercial)     117814     5/14/86     
Universal (Commercial)     117816     5/14/86     
Universal (Commercial)     117827     5/14/86     
Universal (Commercial)     117834     5/14/86     
Universal (Commercial)     117836     5/14/86     
Universal (Commercial)     117844     5/14/86     
Universal (Commercial)     117857     5/14/86     
Universal (Commercial)     117858     5/14/86     
Universal (Commercial)     117864     5/14/86     
Universal (Commercial)     117867     5/14/86     
Universal (Commercial)     118018     5/14/86     
Universal (Commercial)     140700     5/14/86     
Universal (Commercial)     188879     5/14/86     
Universal (Commercial)     201690     5/14/86     
Universal (Commercial)     40499     5/14/86     
Winchester     13393     5/14/86     
Winchester     1094122     5/14/86     
Winchester     1099257     5/14/86     
Winchester     1120694     5/14/86     
Winchester     1130066     5/14/86     
Winchester     1145035     5/14/86     
Winchester     1169902     5/14/86     
Winchester     1174621     5/14/86     
Winchester     1178658     5/14/86     
Winchester     1196313     5/14/86     
Winchester     1203407     5/14/86     
Winchester     1224908     5/14/86     
Winchester     1227405     5/14/86     
Winchester     1245196     10/30/85     Century
Winchester     1268267     5/14/86     
Winchester     1290595     5/14/86     
Winchester     1304627     10/30/85     Century
Winchester     1325154     5/14/86     
Winchester     1340896     5/14/86     
Winchester     5600244     5/14/86     
Winchester     5614571     5/14/86     
Winchester     5624696     5/14/86     
Winchester     5632053     5/14/86     
Winchester     5664225     5/14/86     
Winchester     5682962     5/14/86     
Winchester     5711075     5/14/86     
Winchester     5722557     5/14/86     
Winchester     5772103     10/30/85     Century
Winchester     5776737     5/14/86     
Winchester     5799267     5/14/86     
Winchester     6459487     5/14/86     
Winchester     6617700     5/14/86     

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No Irwin Pedersens on the list, which is disappointing. A couple of years ago Sir Plus Guns was auctioning off a series of IPs and an UN-QUALITY one after another and the ones I saw all came from Century Arms. They sold other makes also, but I would've assumed all of these were SAMCO Carbines, especially given the time frame. 

Anybody know where they might have come from? After the last IP wouldn't sell they halted sales of them.
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Thank You David........
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Yep there are a few interesting ones, might be a log issue? Sometimes serials are hard to read or mix up, or maybe just that uber rare find!

I.B.M.     766651     10/30/85     Century
National Postal Meter     6628532     5/14/86
Winchester     13393     5/14/86
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I hear they liked using the buffing wheels in metal parts that were corroded,  obscuring markings? 
The acquisition date us 1986. Why sit in them? Mismanagement? 


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Originally posted by tenOCEE tenOCEE wrote:

I hear they liked using the buffing wheels in metal parts that were corroded, obscuring markings?
They acquisition date us 1986. Why sit in them? Mismanagement?



I hadn't heard about the buffing wheels, but I did hear some mismanagement stories. If you have one of these Carbines, you can at least partially answer the "If this gun could talk" question...These Carbines sat in a Miami warehouse for 30 years of their life. Not glamorous history, but history nonetheless...

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Yeah, blackfish, I can see that being the reason they didn't sell and stay sold. But having to store them all those years costs. Makes more sense to blow them out at what they will sell for rather than keeping them.

I once bought an INTRAC item at a local show using a credit card. 11 months and 2 weeks later they hit my credit card with a different name on the bill. I called the name indicated to see what the now forgotten charge was for. The person asked if I purchased something from INTRAC and I acknowledged yes. This company had acquired INTRAC and was going through the records finding a bunch of charges that they had never pushed through.

ncin1911 has a thread about his SAMCO S'G' acquisition and the bankruptcy offering with images. His is overly polished and the images he posted show two buffing machines on site stationed for work on actions we presume.



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The carbines SAMCO imported in May 1986 may not have sat in their U.S. facility all that time. What follows was not for carbines but included as an example of the issues importers deal with that prevent the timely sale of imports.

SAMCO's bankruptcy stemmed from legal problems that started with the sale of FAL's and AA guns to Honduras from Egypt in 1985 that Honduras never paid for. SAMCO sued Honduras in Honduras in 2003 with a series of lawsuits in Honduras and the USA over the transaction. Honduras still had them and was ordered by a Honduran Supreme Court ruling to return them.

SAMCO didn't pay their Honduran lawyer. She sued them and won putting a lien for over $1 million on the FAL's.

I went thru the court docs several years ago. No mention of carbines. A Honduran End User Certificate identified the Honduras items as the AA guns, FAL's, parts, ammo.

I have no info on why the carbines weren't sold sooner, where they sat, or if they went somewhere and were returned for some reason. Just one possible explanation. The maze of legal documents and disputes over what was sold or not paid for can sometimes tie up things for years. AN inability to sell those carbines may have contributed to their financial problems that put them in bankruptcy.

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For whatever it's worth, the Universal Firearms and Plainfield carbines in those serial number ranges were being sold retail in late 1967 to mid 1968.

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Originally posted by sleeplessnashadow sleeplessnashadow wrote:

For whatever it's worth, the Universal Firearms and Plainfield carbines in those serial number ranges were being sold retail in late 1967 to mid 1968.

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Jim,

Thank you for that info.

The Universals were also made in Miami. However, the acquisition date with other Carbines probably indicates an import, or an acquisition of another firearm business. It would be interesting to know how they became combined with original Carbines, and where they all came from. At least this list provides a part of their story.

Originally posted by GotSnlB28 GotSnlB28 wrote:

Yep there are a few interesting ones, might be a log issue? Sometimes serials are hard to read or mix up, or maybe just that uber rare find!

I.B.M.     766651     10/30/85     Century
National Postal Meter     6628532     5/14/86
Winchester     13393     5/14/86


I think Winchester 13393 is just missing its last digit.

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Originally posted by tenOCEE tenOCEE wrote:

Yeah, blackfish, I can see that being the reason they didn't sell and stay sold. But having to store them all those years costs. Makes more sense to blow them out at what they will sell for rather than keeping them.

I once bought an INTRAC item at a local show using a credit card. 11 months and 2 weeks later they hit my credit card with a different name on the bill. I called the name indicated to see what the now forgotten charge was for. The person asked if I purchased something from INTRAC and I acknowledge yes. This company had acquired INTRAC and was going through the records finding a bunch of charges that they had never pushed through.

ncin1911 has a thread about his SAMCO S'G' acquisition and the bankruptcy offering with images. His is overly polished and the images he posted show two buffing machines on site stationed for work on actions we presume.


Yep the S'G' below is the one I acquired from a Florida seller who purchased it directly from Century Arms after the SAMCO buy. I contacted Kelley Coder from Century Arms, who opened a ticket with there compliance department on my behalf for any additional information they might share. There response; which I shared in the above thread @tenOCEE mentioned, stated it was obtained as a Barreled Action from the SAMCO buy. I believe most of the carbines SAMCO had left at the time of there  bankruptcy were just barreled actions as shown in the auction pictures. I could never really tell for sure but the one picture of the wire/buffing wheels appears to have a crate behind them with potential carbine barrels laying on it but who knows. While researching SAMCO and before receiving the carbine from seller, I found the SAMCO Global Arms Inc. inventory sheets as they are still available along with pictures on the auction companies website under the Documents tab of the auction listing. They were not cared for very well apparently but at least the import stamp location and size was done better than many IMO.
http://www.stamplerauctions.com/auction/280410/samco-global-arms-firearms/

Saginaw     3552886     5/14/86
The barreled action is all expected S'G' components with exception of the flat bolt, which is QHMC but with all S'G' internals. Not sure if QHMC every supplied any stipped bolts to Grand Rapids, I couldn't find anything but maybe someone here could comment on that.
The stock was an Inland Pot Belly and the trigger housing and group I forget but believe I show it or link to pictures in my thread. Century provided the TH group, adjustable rear sight and stock. I was pleased to find no rear sight staking and the fact it was S'G' vs S.G but the buffing breaks my heart . It's no beauty but I am still happy to own it. I call her Sammy.
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ncin1911,

Thank you for posting the link. I remember reviewing the photos prior to the sale, and I had everything sent to me at the time, so I didn't realize the info was still out there. There's a lot of interesting information in the inventory document, if you make time to look through it.

Bottom line, the business was apparently mismanaged, and yet they probably could have saved themselves if they had truly wanted to. I heard about some of the internal politics involved, and I think it got to a point where the right person couldn't, or didn't care to run the enterprise as it should/could have been run. I guess it lasted for quite a while. Century certainly spent a lot of money beyond what they paid for the assets to prepare and transport the assets, and clean the place out. I hope they make a great profit off of it all.

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Rockola     1665098     5/14/86  
Very early, probably a T2 springtube. I would have bought this even if a rat

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Originally posted by New2brass New2brass wrote:

Rockola     1665098     5/14/86  
Very early, probably a T2 springtube. I would have bought this even if a rat

I.B.M.     3961194     10/30/85     Century
one of the last IBMs made



Yep would like to find that 3.96 mil IBM Dan, might be the cousin to my 3.93. But there is this one. Yes googling the serials was one of the first things I did. Geek

http://forums.thecmp.org/showthread.php?t=245775

Oh yeah and Google cached the photos
https://www.google.com/search?sa=X&q=%223687096%22+carbine+cmp&tbm=isch&source=univ&ved=2ahUKEwj_gIuG2o3kAhVJhq0KHXx3B1kQsAR6BAgGEAE&biw=1920&bih=937

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Originally posted by ncin1911 ncin1911 wrote:

Originally posted by New2brass New2brass wrote:

<span style=": rgb248, 248, 252;">Rockola     1665098     5/14/86  </span>
<span style=": rgb248, 248, 252;">Very early, probably a T2 springtube. I would have bought this even if a rat</span>
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<span style=": rgb248, 248, 252;">I.B.M.     3961194     10/30/85     Century</span>
<span style=": rgb248, 248, 252;">one of the last IBMs made</span>
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Yep would like to find that 3.96 mil IBM Dan, might be the cousin to my 3.93. But there is this one. Yes googling the serials was one of the first things I did. Geek

http://forums.thecmp.org/showthread.php?t=245775

Oh yeah and Google cached the photos
https://www.google.com/search?sa=X&q=%223687096%22+carbine+cmp&tbm=isch&source=univ&ved=2ahUKEwj_gIuG2o3kAhVJhq0KHXx3B1kQsAR6BAgGEAE&biw=1920&bih=937




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