Newbie in Ohio

Message Topic Search Topic Options Post Reply Create New Topic Printable Version Translate Topic

   Hi all.  I have a late
M1 model Winchester in the 6.5 million range and will post pictures soon.  I am currently disassembling it again to fill
out a data sheet and take better pictures. 
All the marked parts seem to be from Winchester or 2nd party parts used by Winchester and seem to be the proper type for a
Winchester built at that time.  One thing
that I have learned though (from reading Craig Riesch’s book on wartime
production) is that only the Cross Cannon cartouche was used in serial numbers
after about 5,580,000 (Winchester).  Mine
also has the “W.R.A./G.H.D. with periods and no box (there is a “W” in the
slingwell).  Is it possible that they
were still using this occasionally or has my stock been replaced at some time?  Also, the stock has no rebuild or import
marks, but the bottom of the handgrip does have a stamped “T” (and no “P”) – I cannot
find anything about that.

I will try to post one picture.  My father is front row, 2^nd from
left holding an M1 Carbine along with the others.  This picture
was taken somewhere in India, fall of 1944.  They went
by ship to Bombay and were making their way to Calcutta with the help of the
Indian soldiers.  They were each issued
an M1 carbine and a Colt 45.  From
Calcutta, they flew over the hump in a C46 (Burma) and made their way to Kumming, China.  From there, they made their way north towards
Shanghi working with the Chinese resistance and meeting up with other US Navy forces.  They were coast watchers, saboteurs, and even
rescued a few downed pilots.  My father
brought the M1 Carbine home, but unfortunately, it was stolen.  I have no information on it at all (or
remember any details) even though I shot it a few times when I was a boy.  What a loss!

Author	Message Topic Search Topic Options Post Reply Create New Topic Printable Version Translate Topic
SACO_1945 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Recruit Joined: Apr 02 2018 Location: Springfield, OH Status: Offline Points: 13	Post Options Post Reply Quote SACO_1945 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: Newbie in Ohio Posted: Apr 08 2018 at 11:08pm
	Hi all. I have a late M1 model Winchester in the 6.5 million range and will post pictures soon. I am currently disassembling it again to fill out a data sheet and take better pictures. All the marked parts seem to be from Winchester or 2nd party parts used by Winchester and seem to be the proper type for a Winchester built at that time. One thing that I have learned though (from reading Craig Riesch’s book on wartime production) is that only the Cross Cannon cartouche was used in serial numbers after about 5,580,000 (Winchester). Mine also has the “W.R.A./G.H.D. with periods and no box (there is a “W” in the slingwell). Is it possible that they were still using this occasionally or has my stock been replaced at some time? Also, the stock has no rebuild or import marks, but the bottom of the handgrip does have a stamped “T” (and no “P”) – I cannot find anything about that. I will try to post one picture. My father is front row, 2^nd from left holding an M1 Carbine along with the others. This picture was taken somewhere in India, fall of 1944. They went by ship to Bombay and were making their way to Calcutta with the help of the Indian soldiers. They were each issued an M1 carbine and a Colt 45. From Calcutta, they flew over the hump in a C46 (Burma) and made their way to Kumming, China. From there, they made their way north towards Shanghi working with the Chinese resistance and meeting up with other US Navy forces. They were coast watchers, saboteurs, and even rescued a few downed pilots. My father brought the M1 Carbine home, but unfortunately, it was stolen. I have no information on it at all (or remember any details) even though I shot it a few times when I was a boy. What a loss!

NewScotlander Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Grunt Advanced Collector Joined: Jan 02 2016 Location: New York Status: Offline Points: 682	Post Options Post Reply Quote NewScotlander Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: Apr 09 2018 at 7:27am
	Most likely a replacement. It seems to be fairly well narrowed down that the changeover to just the cross cannon stamp took place in the 5.7 million serial number range (NL237).

W5USMC Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Moderator Group Joined: Apr 29 2017 Location: Missouri Status: Offline Points: 2958	Post Options Post Reply Quote W5USMC Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: Apr 09 2018 at 8:26am
	Welcome to the forum, looking forward to seeing some pictures of your Winchester.
	Wayne USMC Retired NRA Life Member

sling00 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Hard Corps Joined: Apr 21 2016 Location: Tennessee Status: Offline Points: 941	Post Options Post Reply Quote sling00 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: Apr 09 2018 at 8:30am
	Welcome to the forum. Sorry about the loss of your dad's M1. That is really unfortunate. This is a great forum with lots of knowledgeable folks able and willing to help. Looking forward to seeing pics of your carbine.

arthur Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List On Point Joined: Feb 18 2016 Location: dayton,ohio Status: Offline Points: 369	Post Options Post Reply Quote arthur Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: Apr 09 2018 at 10:12am
	SACO welcome. I live just down the road in Dayton. Do you belong to Ohio Gun Collectors Assn? A nice display show coming up next month. Its a shame your family treasure was stolen. Was your father a Seabee? It looks like he has a Garand instead of a carbine in the picture.

SACO_1945 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Recruit Joined: Apr 02 2018 Location: Springfield, OH Status: Offline Points: 13	Post Options Post Reply Quote SACO_1945 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: Apr 09 2018 at 11:38am
	Thanks for the info.

SACO_1945 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Recruit Joined: Apr 02 2018 Location: Springfield, OH Status: Offline Points: 13	Post Options Post Reply Quote SACO_1945 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: Apr 09 2018 at 12:35pm
	Arthur (neighbor), I don't belong to the Ohio Gun Collectors Assn. I will look into it though -- would like to go to the show. My father was not a Seabee. He volunteered for the mission (SACO -- Sino-American Cooperative Organization) as did all the Navy people there. He was there 1944-1945. The mission was kept secret until sometime after the war ended. To see more information: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-American_Cooperative_Organization. The rifle my father brought back was a carbine for sure. The picture is not really good enough for me to say for sure which he was holding in the picture, but should be a carbine. Attached is the official song from SACO (I guess you had to be there!).