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    Posted: Nov 21 2017 at 11:49am
I have my Universal all apart to replace the recoil springs, in the process I've cleaned everything thoroughly and am about to take it to a gunsmith to inspect and certify it safe. Before I reassemble it I want to be sure it is properly lubricated, I have a good idea about how and where but I don't want to miss anything. I've looked on line and can not find a good illustration of lube points, also are there places that require gun oil only and are there places that require grease, if so, what kind of grease, where, I've seen grease used on the M1 Garand, does this also apply to the carbine?
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Thats quite a useful manual, thanks for posting it.
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While we're at it, if you don't have it there is also a Technical Manual, TM 9-1276.  This is the 1947 version.  There's a 1953 also but I can't readily find a link to it.

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Wow that's some manual, and it's in such good readable shape for as old as it is, everyone should down load their own copy, this is excel ant. Thank you sling00, if you happen to find the 1953 version I'd love to have a copy of it also, never seen something like this before, just great.
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As luck would have it I found the address in a previous post.  It's not quite as good of pdf but here's what I have.  It is a 21M download. Try:
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sling00, your link to the 1953 version did not work for me, not sure if it worked for anyone else. Here is a link that I found it on. 
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Hmmm.  I found it didn't go to a site but if I highlight the entire address, right click on it, and use the "Go to http://..." it downloads the pdf.  Looks like the same copy you found. Sorry about that. 
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I read another post here recently about disassembly of parts to record markings for the data sheets. He commented while apart may as well clean everything thoroughly, then he said he always fallows a rule of thumb he was taught, "if it slides, grease it, if it rotates oil it". Now that makes more sense than most of what I've seen or heard and is easy to do and remember. He didn't mention what grease to use, but I imagine it's light weight and has good hot/cold weather tolerance. You don't want it to melt in hot weather, and you don't want it to harden in cold weather. You may want to visit your local auto parts store, they would have what you need, they have greases with bases from lithium to silicone, just read or ask about the properties of each and what's best for your carbine, or go on line.
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I came from a backgound were we just had a bolt action 22 rifle in my family, and little of anything else, my mother wasn't to hot on guns. But when we did go shooting we just grabed the gun and away we went, lube, we do that when we are done sometime. We didn't have any experience with semi automatic rifles and how to take care of them.
I searched the manuals for lube points, and none said to use grease at any point, instead it says use a light rust preventative oil. Back then they emphasized lubing the bolt lobes and all the channels the bolt and slide uses. Also interesting they say to lube the carbine before firing, as well as after. This should interest another thread on broken parts.
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It's my contention, after a very thorough cleaning, a light coat of oil on everything and a dab of grease on areas that rub together especially the back of the lugs.  I use a product called RIG from Universal including the bore. 
When you are ready to shoot, run a dry patch through the bore first.
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Interesting, I can see putting a little grease on the bolt lugs and the trigger parts, but I don't think I would put grease in the bore unless I was going to store the rifle for a long time, i'd be afraid of grease getting into the piston. I do use a light coat of oil in the bore, the bolt lugs and the slide lug, slide rotation cam and channels are the most critical and a little oil on the extractors. Don't forget the slide  where it rides on the barrel.

Here is the list from the 1942 army manual:

M1 CARBINE LUBRICATION POINTS BEFORE FIRING

 

(From the 1942 M1 basic field manual, Red high lights are mine).

 

UN 14. PREPARATORY TO FIRING. -The following procedure before firing insures efficient functioning of the carbine:

a. Dismount main groups.

b. Wipe oil or grease from the bore.

c. Thoroughly clean and lightly oil all metal parts. Use light preservative lubricating oil.

d. Apply a thin, uniform coating of light preservative lubricating oil to the parts listed below:

(1) Bolt lugs (locking and operating).

(2) Bolt guides.

(3) Cocking cam on bolt.

(4) Gas piston.

(5) Contact surfaces of barrel and operating slide.

(6) Operating slide cam.

(7) Operating slide guide groove in receiver and barrel.

(8) Operating slide spring.

(9) Operating slide spring guide rod.

CAUTION: Do not apply oil to the under surface of the bolt, as the introduction of oil into the chamber may lead to the generation of excessive pressure.

e. Assemble carbine and rub all outer surfaces with a lightly oiled rag to remove dust.


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