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David Albert
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David Albert dalbert@sturmgewehr.com |
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Lupus Dei
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It was not my thought or intent to attack you, if that is how you feel I do
apologize. Short and sweet, If you had referenced the newsletters Dan had pointed out we would not be discussing this. Hurlo was quoted, Backed by Worthpoint, it was later that Herlo was mentioned. Please do not twist things after the fact. Herlo used HC on the barrels. That may not be the case on other items if produced for the carbines. You are however twisting words. Expert vs Professor are two different
things, neither of which am I. Student is more suited as we are all constantly
learning and we do not get paid for this. I did not shoot down any therories, the newsletters an argument for
that. With that lets keep this on topic. You have many successful machine gun boards, I request you or anyone reach out to see if we can establish who made HSA barrels for the BAR. If you are so inclined to do some research please reach out to your friend that is a friend of Bill Ricca and see if we can get to the bottom of this. |
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David Albert
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Lou, Herlo was mentioned early on in the conversation, as quoted above. I have been in touch with my friend, and he has provided some good information in regards to Herlo as a primary contractor, but doesn't have anything for them in a subcontractor role. Herlo used an "HC" on their M1 Carbine barrels. The example that my friend has is Vietnam era production. I will see if he will reach out to Bill Ricca for any further insight. David Albert dalbert@sturmgewehr.com |
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New2brass
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David, You are quoting the 12th post. Your post was 9th, Louis' was 10th. That makes Herlo later in the conversation as I see it
AFAIK Herlo had two government carbine barrel contracts from 1970-1974 They were rejected by the US Gov. In 1975-1976 (Vietnam era) they were sold to South Korea as USGI barrels. In the 80's Blue Sky Imported carbines from South Korea and there have been reports of Herlo barrels on these carbines. This is contrary to what Bill has seen. in the 90s barrels were reimported by Armscorp. The Chrome Lined cannot be headspaced by conventional means (if at all properly) The non chrome lined may have other issues but there are in fact good ones. I have one that has no issues. See link above for figuring which is which, both have HC marks Best, Dan
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David Albert
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New2brass,
I see the sequence now. Thank you for the clarification. In my eyes, contesting a jump from "Hurlo" to "Herlo" as "twist(ing) things after the fact" is a weak argument. I didn't even make the one letter jump myself. It was offered in the line of discussion here, which I thought was showing solid detective work on a previously un-researched subject. (Definitely something we want to encourage here...) Anyone serious about research would want their mind to remain open to potential spelling or inflectional nuances in seeking answers to a theory. We're talking about one letter in a company name. The phonetic difference between "Hurlo," and "Herlo" is nil. Again, I was only trying to encourage a fellow member who seemed intrigued with researching this subject. It's not a subject that I have great interest in myself, but I do enjoy when new discoveries are made. Whatever the outcome, whether the "H" stands for "Hurlo," "Herlo," "Hurricane," "Hatmaker," or "Honolulu," it will be new information to the Carbine world. I'm good with whatever may result. David Albert dalbert@sturmgewehr.com |
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W5USMC
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Not to beat a dead horse, but I have googled this slides markings every day to see if I missed something. I found this post by Bill Ricca on an old CMP thread concerning this slide.
"Bill Ricca 02-25-2011, 10:00 AM A while back there was a thread about M2 Slides. The thread continued to a few markings. http://forums.thecmp.org/showthread.php?t=34855 I posted this: I used to think HSA marked was High Standard Arms, but contract documents have proven me wrong. Nobody has been able to confirm the HSA marked slides. High Standard existed under two different names: High Standard Manufacturing Company, Inc. and High Standard Manufacturing Corp. I relied on WWII and 1960-80's contracts, which were correct. What I forgot about was the BAR barrels I had. I just looked at one and it is marked: HSA 1-54 High Standard was known for high quality barrels of all types, so I suspect the barrel is High Standard. So it appears that the HSA slides were High Standard Arms, a name that was probably used in a limited time, for government contracts, around the time of the Korean War. However the abbreviations are not always directly related, so it could have been HIGH STANDARD MANUFACTURING. Either way the HSA markings were used during that period." |
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Very good. Thanks Wayne.
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