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    Posted: Jun 13 2017 at 5:52pm
I have 3 slings I need to determine if orig/repro/or whatever. 
Sure would appreciate some of you folks expertise to check 'em out for me with any info you can provide.
This is #1.



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My opinion:

#1 - repro
#2 - original
#3 - original

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Check page 149 of "M1 Carbine" by R.C. Larson for your answer. Your slings could all be re pros but the "C" tip was the original WW 11 design and "D" tip by the Korean war but David's assessment seams correct judging the condition. 
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Originally posted by Charles Charles wrote:

Check page 149 of "M1 Carbine" by R.C. Larson for your answer. Your slings could all be re pros but the "C" tip was the original WW 11 design and "D" tip by the Korean war but David's assessment seams correct judging the condition. 
 
Charles, and anyone who owns Larson. Get a sticky note or a thick sharpie and write on the cover or sticky 'Caution" or "use with extreme prejudice"
 
Please check out the main pages "Books" section
 
IN the description of Larson there is a link to a newsletter that addresses that book.
 
Larson credits Riverbank for a lot of parts, Suggest everyone get familiar with Riverbank and George Liakos.
 
Larson also runs a business L&S that sells reproduction parts.
While on the sling pages I will point out that his sling markings provides fake marks. The color and weaves are incomplete and I would not rely on his colors.
 
D tips were in use late 44 based on photographic evidence.
 
Flipping the page to oilers, the early T top oiler shown was not for carbines, they also do not fit in the slots. most if not all oilers on that page were most likely supplied by Riverbank.
 
 
As to the OPs question
 
1. I strongly believe to be a reproduction
2. I believe to be WWII
3. I believe to be Post War
 
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Looks like the 3rd one has an anchor on the snap.  Previous post elsewhere from Bill Ricca:
So far in 1950's production I have found:

Dot
Lift the Dot
Klikit Pull
Star Pull
S inside Triangle
Anchor

Based on this I'll go with Mr. Albert.  #1 repro.  #2 has a dot and real.  #3 has anchor and is real.  #2 and 3 are from the 50's. Also the webbing on 2 and 3 is consistent with 1 being an outlier. 
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https://www.milsurps.com/showthread.php?t=32228

first one (C tip) looks like a cheap repop
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Originally posted by sling00 sling00 wrote:

Looks like the 3rd one has an anchor on the snap.  Previous post elsewhere from Bill Ricca:
So far in 1950's production I have found:
Dot
Lift the Dot
Klikit Pull
Star Pull
S inside Triangle
Anchor
 #3 has anchor and is real.  #2 and 3 are from the 50's. Also the webbing on 2 and 3 is consistent with 1 being an outlier. 
 
Define "real" as they do exist by photographic evidence.
As Bill Ricca stated "Anchor" is 50s production so Post War
The dot is well known as WWII as well as post war. So how can you conclude when #2 was made?
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Originally posted by New2brass New2brass wrote:

The dot is well known as WWII as well as post war. So how can you conclude when #2 was made?
Ooops, I apologize.  Got in a hurry and just reiterated what I quoted from Mr. Ricca.   Does anyone know if the weave pattern would be an indicator of WWII production versus post war?   Seems like there was a brief discussion on this at one time.
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See pages 296/297 in War Baby.
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Thanks everyone. Very helpful.
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I've studied a lot of canvas firearm accessories, mostly for the Thompson, Reising, and other USGI firearms, but also many European items, and I usually go with my gut and previous experience as to originality. Glad to see it still proves out. Sometimes assessments can't be made by photo alone. As to WWII and post war differentiation, that is where I would consult the books, but the OP was looking for whether or not the slings were original USGI, or repro, "or whatever." The "or whatever" category is one that I have studied very closely, as Reising and M1 Carbine slings are similar, but distinctly different in one feature.

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David,
Appreciate your comments. 
You know you left me hanging with your last statement......You didn't say what the feature difference is between carbine and Reising slings?????
"Inquiring minds want to know". Care to share?
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The space between the loop and the snap is longer on a Reising sling, and there are many reproductions.

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Got it. Thanks
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