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m1a1fan
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Posted: May 08 2017 at 8:28pm |
Saw a thread about handguard matching and thought I'd start a thread.
Here are some stock and handguards. Which ones do you think match the best? 1&2 3&4 |
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sling00
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I'll vote for #1 (top stock in the 1&2 pics).
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Charles
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They all look pretty good, # 4 is a bit off but if they are not from the same tree, it wont be perfect. They are all exceptable when you consider no effort was made or even possible to match stocks with hand guards as they more then likely came from different shops. Still, its an enviable collection.
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Charles
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m1a1fan
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Great comments guys. No right or wrong answers here. Which one looks the worst? Feel free to rank them if you like. Number 4 is the worst match to me. Also note the overhang it has near the front of the handguard. I have already ranked them but welcome input from others as that is what learning is all about.
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sling00
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OK, I'll try this one as well. As for worst, toss up between #2 and #4. Although the stains are pretty well matching, the hand guard on #2 is a very nice straight grain but the stock has a tiger strip. Then #4 the hand guard is darker and has what appears to be a tighter walnut grain versus the stock's.
I'll go with #4 as worst due to the obvious difference in shades.
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m1a1fan
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I'd probably rank them from closest match to worst: 1, 3, 2 and 4.
Stains on wood in #2 do match, good catch sling00. BTW, Charles, you saw one of these in person, #4. Now that we've identified how they are ranked, which ones would we expect to be original? |
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sling00
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Now's the hard part. But you did say "...that is what learning is all about." From what basic info I've learned, all the stocks are "high wood" so I would expect all four stocks to have the potential of originality. For the hand guards, #1, #3, and #4 are two rivet so being earlier design I would expect they are original. As for #2, seems like the four rivets could be original for a couple late issue carbines but then the "high wood" stock would not be period correct. I'll go with all the stocks and hand guards #1, #3 and #4 being original.
By the way on #2, is that a Type II barrel band and should that have been a clue?
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m1a1fan
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Spot on sling.
Yes the type two band on #2 is a clue. To those way more experiemced than me may know what these are just by the pics provided. I am far from that but enjoy learning and appreciate those willing to share. Let's start with #4 which is an Underwood. How could a hamdgaurd match so poorly yet be original to a carbine? I will start. Maybe the factory wasn't concerned with hand guards matching the stock. Other possibilities are the handguard was provided by another carbine maker like in this case Rock-Ola (it is marked RMC). |
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m1a1fan
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#1 is a Rock-Ola with a 2 rivet RMC handguard. The RMC mark appears to be boxed,
but it isn't. It appears the stamp made an impression similar to
those seen in the slingwell of QHMC stocks and handguards.
#2 is an Inland with a 4 rivet IO handguard. #3 is an IP with a 2 rivet IR-IP handguard. #4 is an Underwood with a 2 rivet RMC handguard. This RMC handguard does not have the boxed appearance like the #1 above. The barrel date is 5-43. WB documents a request/authorization for 20,000 handguards made on 4-6-43. |
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floydthecat
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Color-matching can certainly be a concern, but we all know they did not assemble the guns for looks. I prefer a close match as well, but I get more anal about fitment. Just within my rather short carbine collecting life, I have discovered that they all don't fit to perfection. I know we're not building cabinets here, but in your experiences (anybody) is it the norm to expect a little overhang here-n-there as well as the occasional gaps, slight warps, inconsistencies at mating surfaces and lines that don't exactly match at hardware intersections? Many of you guys have seen hundreds and possibly thousands of these things over the years.
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Charles
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I doubt very seriously # 4 started out as they are now. Judging by the many carbines I've seen, they are miss matched and would suggest a replaced hand guard at some later date. When pairing two pieces of wood, it is customary to do a final filing and sanding before finishing. But that is part of it's intresting history.
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Charles
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New2brass
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#4 looks "crisp" or "NOS" out of the package. does the carbine match that characteristic?
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m1a1fan
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Judge for yourself.....
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hunterman
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Very Nice Underwood! 1.42? Even the buttplate looks to have all its finish.
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m1a1fan
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Thanks hunterman....You are spot on. It is a 1.42. ME on barrel is 1-. All parts retain most if not all of their finish. All parts are UW except for RMC deep groove 2 rivet handguard.
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