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sleeplessnashadow
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Hi. I'm the researcher who did the work on Universal and authored the website.
I have a short survey that if you'll post the answers or PM me with the answers it will help me tell you more about your carbine. The survey is here: http://www.m1carbinesinc.com/carbine_Universalhelp.html I'm interested in what you have. Jim |
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fhmfire1
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Thanks Jim I sent you more info any information you could provide would be priceless
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Rodman
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thanks for the information. enjoyed reading it. I have had several Universals and a couple of plainfields over the years, along with my USGI carbines. The Universals were always good shooters and a lot of fun. I have a Universal I picked up at a flea market now that has a paratrooper stock on it . It is in the 90,000 serial number range.
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Rodman
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great info. Jim. I never knew what the two numbers on the left of the receiver just below the stock represented. Mine has a 4 5 on it. So that means 45 months from first production ? So mine would have been produced in 1967. thanks
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sleeplessnashadow
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Regarding the number on the left side of the receiver, I believe it was a quality control measure like a lot number. It preceded the stamping of the markings and serial number and doesn't always run consecutive to the serial numbers. It's not when the carbine was assembled. It had something to do with the manufacturing process of the receiver alone.
I'm convinced it represents the number of months from their first month of production. The first month was March or April 1962. They didn't start using the number on the receiver right away. I have info on twenty-nine Universals between s/n 2054-9626. None have the number on the left side. The earliest regular production s/n carbines the lowest I have a number for is 11137 with the number 11. But the X prefix s/n carbines go as low as the number 9. What helps is the stock manufacturer started stamping a date inside the stock to indicate when the stock and handguard had been completed. Earliest stock date I have is Sep 1962 (no day) on s/n 6200 with Oct 31, 1962 on s/n 4638. Neither have the number on the receiver. Keep in mind the date in the stock was the date the stock was finished. The number on the left side of the receiver was receiver specific and preceded the s/n. S/N Rec # Stock Date X056 9 Nov 7, 1962 X371 10 Jan 2, 1963 X035 9 Jan 5, 1963 X128 4 Jan 30, 1963 X562 10 Jan 30, 1963 11137 11 Feb 1, 1963 11184 11 Feb 6, 1963 113xx 11 Feb 9, 1963 12140 12 March 13, 1963 126xx 12 April 5, 1963 12950 12 April 1, 1963 1454x 13 June 7, 1963 150xx 13 June 21, 1963 15485 14 June 9, 1963 15991 14 Aug 13, 1963 17323 14 Sep 3, 1963 176xx 15 Sept 10, 1963 1762x 15 Sept 23, 1963 They stoppedputting the dates inside the stock but the number on the left side of the receiver continued. Leading up to te switch to the hybrid design at s/n 100,000 ... 89019 47 90271 47 90348 47 92923 45 93467 40 93534 39 939xx 44 94861 44 9490x 44 95212 50 95290 50 The number on the left side wasn't always present prior to s/n 100k. With the switch to the hybrid design at s/n 100,000 the number became less common over time. By s/n 128k it was rarely present but had reached 60. 100001 44 101491 none 101878 none 103454 46 106164 46 107597 44 But it did show up occasionally .... my guess is some of the hybrids were machined from receivers made prior to the switch to the hybrid design. Consistent with the two digit number being like a lot code put there before the machining of the receivers took place. Which leads me to believe the number was when Universal received them from the foundry or when the foundry had completed them. 192530 70 2003xx 74 218035 72 Then a changeup, they started over .... 203762 1 207868 2 215000 6 2190xx 2 308131 4 308572 5 325xxx 15 336675 19 341943 52 341943 is the highest s/n I have so far that has the two digit number. 480985 Highest s/n I have for Hialeah, FL 482143 Lowest s/n I have for Jacksonville, AR 488363 Highest s/n I have for Jacksonville, AR Jim |
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Chuck70
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I have a 50 year old Universal M1 Carbine serial #123322 that was given to me a few days ago. it was only shot once in 1968 and then boxed until a few days ago when when life long neighbor who's 89
signed it over to me. today I took it to my gunsmith to get full work over and to make sure its safe of course to use. The only thing hear is that its better than the GEN 3 model. I wondering does anyone know about whats its worth in near perfect condition? thx
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Charles Wilson
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David Albert
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Chuck70, Do you have the original box, or anything else that came with it at the time of original purchase? You mentioned it was boxed, but I'm wondering if it's the original Universal box, or a different box. Photos would also be helpful in assessing value. David Albert dalbert@sturmgewehr.com |
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Chuck70
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Hi David I didn’t get original box but the brochures
Were dated 4-2-1968 bought from Sears. I will post pics as soon as I get it back from Gunsmith. I took it earlier today to him to completely clean And inspect everything. What I meant was my neighbor Wrapped and boxed it ( not in original box) and it has Been put away for 50 years. It was shot only once Ever my neighbor said. Thx |
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sleeplessnashadow
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Chuck
There are a number of variables as to value but generally the Universal's when yours was made that are in excellent condition have been selling for $475-$550. They were made as shooters and it's still their main draw to owners and buyers. The carbines by Universal and almost every other commercial carbine manufacturer are not main stream collector items. The biggest drawback to those above s/n 100,000 is a lack of replacement parts. The design is not that of the M1 Carbine and only a few GI compatible parts are interchangeable. Jim |
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Rodman
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thanks for the information. I found it very interesting reading. I have several GI carbines and have owned many through the years. Plus several universal carbines. Just purchased one with a paratrooper stock and a 9000 ish number. They have been my favorite firearm for sometime now.
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Chuck70
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Thx for the information. I should be getting my Carbine back soon from gunsmith. I will
post pics asap.
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Charles Wilson
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