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Rebel92
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Yep, I got them saved, along with several others. I have one carbine with real GE-Q I can study and get "hands on" with.
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carbinekid
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I’ve maintained photo folders on my computer and phone for over a decade. Anytime I come across a good example of something on a forum, ebay, gunbroker, etc it gets saved. That practice has helped me tremendously over the years.
In recent times all these RTI carbines coming in from Ethiopia have provided some good content as far as original rear sights and interesting parts.
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dnewsom89
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For the sake of the information in this thread, I am going to post the pictures I included in the auction. Hopefully this will help in the future as a reference to a fake. I did some more reading on other posts in various locations, as I should have done in the first place, and have found that this sight is consistent with those made by the infamous "George" of Riverbank Armory. They are all made the same way in regards to machining and staking of the pivot pin, and only vary in markings. This isn't the first time his crap has fooled me. I did not buy this sight from him and, while I don't recall where I got it, I was under the impression it was real. Never the less:
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Mike in NC
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I think many of us have been fooled at one point or another. We all learn, sometimes from other's mistakes and often from our own. I too, have a small collection of fake flip sights that I bought from an early and prominent member of the Carbine Club who first lived in Michigan and later moved to Florida. His initials were F.P. He told a believable story about carbines that were stuck in Puerto Rico that couldn't be brought into the mainland, but small parts like flip sights and early barrel bands could be mailed in. I fell for the story early in my collecting career and bought a few flip sights and barrel bands.
I don't think George of Riverbank Armory actually makes his flip sights, I think they probably come from China or India. Perhaps the various markings are stamped here state side, but likely not. All the real flip sights don't look alike, there were different suppliers in WWII. Fortunately, most of the repro flip sights fall into a few different varieties that often only differ by the stampings on the base and aperture / leaf. Thanks for posting the pictures. |
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35 Whelen
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And once again, as we've seen before with other M1 Carbine parts on eBay that were said to be fakes, buyers either think said parts are not fake, they think they're "close enough", or they just don't care. Either way, kudos to dnewsom89, you did your due diligence in the description.
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Jond41403
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But at least it went for the right amount of money that a reproduction sight should, between $145 to $165. If that were a real Rockola sight, the bidding would have been at $400 Plus
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Rezin777
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WWII or not? |
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Rezin777
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Same seller has another.
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Rebel92
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Rezin, I also saw them and Have asked Tenocee about them. He stated he cannot tell by the pictures required. Personally, they dont look like the fakes I have seen but the GE-Q does not look like the GE-Q example I have. Anyone else have any idea?
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Jond41403
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Since the one on your carbine rebel has been declared real and if those on ebay don't match the one on your example with the exact same letter stamping, then I would lean toward fake but I am no expert on these by any means, just my guess. You have a great tool at your disposal having a known real one already in your possession
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Rebel92
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I will take some clearer pictures of my sight when I get home. I got a new handy magnifying glass that makes stuff super clear. I will post the pictures around lunch!
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GotSnlB28
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Not true in all cases though. For example I know of two distinct styles of legit GE-Q lettering. There's also oddball stuff, I remember a member having an IN-B that didn't fit the norm but it sure looked original and there's no way I would have changed it. Sometimes markings are stronger, weaker, partial, etc. It's one indicator not a blanket judgement, IMO. Happy hunting. |
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Jond41403
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That's very true, that's why it's always a great idea to keep a picture montage if you're going to be buying these things.
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carbinekid
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To me that sight looks like a real base combined with a fake aperture. That dark finish is throwing me off.
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Rebel92
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Rezin777
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I bought the sight. Here is a link to some more pictures. (Pics too large to upload here.) Edited by W5USMC - Aug 27 2022 at 3:35pm |
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tenOCEE
Hard Corps Knows rear sights! Joined: Jan 01 2016 Location: East Tenn Status: Offline Points: 1330 |
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I don't see any problems. But it's the other one that I couldn't see well. My phone screen is shattered and the eyesight is poor now.
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My sig: Seen an IP or S'G'? Add it to my registry. We'll check consecutives.
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carbinekid
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That sight is interesting. Compared to the two GE-Q sights I have, your base sure looks like it’s been media blasted and reparked. Both of mine have unmarked apertures. I can’t say I’ve seen a BR marked aperture on a GE-Q base.
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Rcycles45
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the base is USGI, The Aperture is repro
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GotSnlB28
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agree with CK, base looks refinished. And the pin was out based on the left side pin hole + staking deformed.
agree with RC45, peep looks repro. Here's a side by side. |
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