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carbinekid
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I made an acquisition recently that I’m pretty excited about! In fact I don’t even have the carbine hand yet.
It’s an Inland and appears to have an SG receiver in the 800-900k range. Might seem crazy that I don’t know 100%, but the provided photos show an unmolested carbine with early features and a very intriguing plaque added to the stock. The price was right so I went for it. I know not to buy the story, but after a lengthy discussion with the current owner about its former owner, I was left with no other choice but to buy it. It had to be done, haha. The plaque says “WILLIAM R. LENNOX, LT. COMDR DE-V(G)”. The owner of the carbine got it from the estate of Mr. Lennox after his death in an airplane crash in the late 1980s. He was a family friend and handled selling off Lennox’s gun collection. After spending the weekend researching on Fold3 and Ancestry I have a pretty good picture of his service. Lennox first served in the Navy from 1930-34 and entered the Naval Reserve as an Ensign. In 1940 he went active again and served until 1946. He was discharged with the rank of Commander and held the rank of Captain while in the Reserves until his ultimate retirement in 1957. During WWII Lennox served aboard the USS S-38, USS S-31 and finally the USS Croaker. He was acting Captain on the S-38 for a time and then on the S-31 for training duty. His usual role was that of Executive Officer. The S-38 and S-31 are WWI era subs and the Croaker was a modern sub. Reading the war patrol diaries for the S-38 is really something. Sounds like a terrible experience plagued with a sauna like atmosphere 24/7 and constant mechanical failures due to the age of the subs (see the last picture). Still doing research and will be waiting on the National Archives to provide his service records to fill in all the details. The rank on the plaque aligns with his time as XO on the USS Croaker. It appears he finished his wartime service aboard the Croaker, so that makes sense. I’ll update this with better pictures once it arrives. Edited by New2brass - Nov 17 2022 at 10:57am |
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Da1Chief
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I will remark with just 3 words... Out Freaking Standing....
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Very respectfully,
Da1Chief DPC,RMC,ITC(SW) USN Retired |
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W5USMC
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Looking forward to seeing more pictures.
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Wayne
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ncin1911
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Ditto
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Donnie
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I am madly jealous! Nice score.
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carbinekid
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I’m hoping to have it this Friday. I’m really pumped.
In the meantime I’m trying to figure out if there is a way to find supply records for the USS Croaker to pin this carbine down to coming off that sub. I imagine it would be a task only achievable by visiting the national archives in person or maybe those would be records still held by the Navy?
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you would probably have to contact the us navy archives in DC to see if they even exist.
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Very respectfully,
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1st M1 88
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Awesome carbine! Congrats on your score. Looking forward to your other pics.
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carbinekid
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The carbine came in today. I wasn’t able to pick it up until late this evening, so no detail pics yet. It is pretty much as shown in the original seller provided photos. Only unexpected detractor is a chipped out section behind the recoil plate. The piece of wood is still there. Not sure yet if there was a previous attempt to glue it back in or if that will be up to me. I’m hoping it hasn’t been glued and I can just send it to Rick Borecky and have him do his thing.
Anyway, two quick pictures of the serial number and barrel date. Edited by New2brass - Nov 17 2022 at 11:01am |
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carbinekid
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Started the tear down this evening. Everything looks legit, although in serious need of a good cleaning. I realized that the sling and buttplate both have the same Navy gray painted markings “BEBB”. Not sure yet what the significance of that is.
Edited by New2brass - Nov 17 2022 at 11:02am |
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Is there a letter or number stamped on top of the barrel bevel?
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carbinekid
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Yeah there is something stamped there. The barreled receiver still needs cleaning. Once it’s taken care of I’ll take detailed pictures of everything. I need to consult the data sheet index about the stock. It’s marked HI with a flaming bomb in the sling well and to my surprise it has an ink stamped date under the buttplate! Looks like “July 1 1943”.
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Dave Tennent
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Here's my Inland built soon after yours. It too has an ink stamp
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I finally got all the metal cleaned up. It had definitely been fired and had also picked up a decent amount of surface rusty that is indicative of having spent time in humidity.
WSI marked rear sight with W.I. marked aperture. The barrel has an “A” stamped on the top flat forward of the receiver. Edited by New2brass - Nov 17 2022 at 11:05am |
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GotSnlB28
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Very nice.
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carbinekid
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Trigger group parts. Note the machined 45-degree edge on the hammer and bright polished forward surface on the sear. Interesting finish on both pieces. Some kind of splotchy dulite type finish on the hammer and sear as well. 26 coil hammer spring, blued sear spring, bright blued pins.
Edited by New2brass - Nov 17 2022 at 11:09am |
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Bolt and slide. Interesting double stamped markings on the slide.
Edited by New2brass - Nov 17 2022 at 11:11am |
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Unmarked late style recoil plate and full threaded recoil plate screw.
Edited by New2brass - Nov 17 2022 at 11:12am |
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Looks very nice! I like the combination of parts it has on it; it's very indicative of where carbine design was at around its production.
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kro1970
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Notice the 26 coil hammer spring used with a dogleg hammer. This appears often with Inlands in this serial number range.
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