Click on the image above to learn more about the M1 Carbine
|
Loose handguard |
Post Reply 
|
Page <123> |
| Author | |
Rebel92 
Grunt 
Joined: Jul 20 2021 Location: Hattiesburg, MS Status: Offline Points: 541 |
 Post Options
 Thanks(0)
 Quote Reply
 Posted: Oct 16 2021 at 2:43pm |
|
it will get under the lip of the band, but not much of it is contacting it.
|
|
 |
|
|
floydthecat
Hard Corps 
Joined: Oct 13 2016 Location: Mississippi Status: Offline Points: 1998 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: Oct 16 2021 at 3:03pm |
|
That is a better picture and it’s obvious now there is a considerable gap between the spring heel and the front of the band. The band is going to shoot-forward under fire.
The thing is, you are not going to be able to just purchase another guard and guarantee it might be a little longer. You really need access to several you can try. When you have more than one carbine, you can often switch guards around. The one that don’t fit that one might work on another one and vice-versa. People have recommended: Build up the nose-lip with a wood filler. Add a fabric, rubber or leather shim at the front of the nose. Customize the band spring nose by welding material and reshaping the heel. Plug the band leg hole and move it rearward. OR….get a longer guard. My experience with band springs is they are all the same. |
|
|
|
|
Rebel92
Grunt
Joined: Jul 20 2021 Location: Hattiesburg, MS Status: Offline Points: 541 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: Oct 16 2021 at 3:13pm |
|
how tight does the barrel band screw need to be under normal operation? Does the sling swivel need to move freely, or can it be so tight it doesn’t move?
|
|
|
|
|
Rebel92
Grunt
Joined: Jul 20 2021 Location: Hattiesburg, MS Status: Offline Points: 541 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: Oct 16 2021 at 3:42pm |
|
I just got my 2nd carbine last night, and it’s handguard does Fit it perfect. And I mean the screw on the band, not the retaining spring. Also, would I shim between barrel and handguard, or between the band and handguard?
|
|
|
|
|
floydthecat
Hard Corps
Joined: Oct 13 2016 Location: Mississippi Status: Offline Points: 1998 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: Oct 16 2021 at 3:55pm |
Welcome to the good, the bad and the ugly.😁 The reason they updated the T1 band to the T2 at first and then T3 for the bayo lug, was to improve the strength of that connection point. The T1 band was/is prone to movement. The good is that the T1 was the original band and is highly desired. If you have the original T1 band that came on the carbine….that’s the good. The bad is it’s inferior in terms of securing that connection. I don’t think you can tighten it enough to improve things without bending it or binding the swivel. If the band was properly engaging the spring, different matter, but yours isn't. For that matter, if the T2 or T3 does not lock into position on the spring heel, they won’t stay put either, but they will tighten-up more securely. I’d put my T3 on it and see if it mates with that guard and shoot the thing. That T1 band can be worth north of $125.00…..put it in the safe!
|
|
|
|
|
Smokpole
Hard Corps
Joined: Oct 21 2019 Location: Madison ohio Status: Offline Points: 1057 |
Post Options
Thanks(1)
Quote Reply
Posted: Oct 16 2021 at 3:58pm |
|
Floyd. not all band springs are the same length. I just replaced a short one with a long one because the short one didn't hold the barrel band in place. The long one did snap over the band. I can tell you for certain that there are different lengths of springs.
|
|
|
OGCA Life member
NRA Life member Ashtabula Rod and Gun Life member |
|
|
|
|
Rebel92
Grunt
Joined: Jul 20 2021 Location: Hattiesburg, MS Status: Offline Points: 541 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: Oct 16 2021 at 4:06pm |
|
can someone show me how it’s supposed to look?? I am losing my mind. Still lots to learn. Thanks
|
|
|
|
|
Smokpole
Hard Corps
Joined: Oct 21 2019 Location: Madison ohio Status: Offline Points: 1057 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: Oct 16 2021 at 4:10pm |
|
That notch on the band should just barely go past the edge of the band, right up against it. There should be no gap between the back of the notch and the band. Yours shows a big gap. I think the round head springs are the shorter ones. The difference is only a few thousandths, but it makes a big difference in how they hold the band.
|
|
|
OGCA Life member
NRA Life member Ashtabula Rod and Gun Life member |
|
|
|
|
floydthecat
Hard Corps
Joined: Oct 13 2016 Location: Mississippi Status: Offline Points: 1998 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: Oct 16 2021 at 4:14pm |
I stand corrected, but it was just my personal experience. I have sought different springs, but never came up with one shorter or longer enough that made a difference. You don’t find them listed in any particular size….just band springs.
|
|
|
|
|
Rebel92
Grunt
Joined: Jul 20 2021 Location: Hattiesburg, MS Status: Offline Points: 541 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: Oct 16 2021 at 4:19pm |
|
|
|
|
|
Rebel92
Grunt
Joined: Jul 20 2021 Location: Hattiesburg, MS Status: Offline Points: 541 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: Oct 16 2021 at 4:20pm |
|
I just posted my 2 side by side
|
|
|
|
|
floydthecat
Hard Corps
Joined: Oct 13 2016 Location: Mississippi Status: Offline Points: 1998 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: Oct 16 2021 at 4:47pm |
There’s your comparison. The band on the left butts right up against the heel (flat) on the back of the spring. The one on the right clearly shows the gap between the band and the heel. Band noses can have a couple different configurations. Switch band springs and see if fitment improves. They tap out from the small hole on the left side of the stock.
|
|
|
|
|
Rebel92
Grunt
Joined: Jul 20 2021 Location: Hattiesburg, MS Status: Offline Points: 541 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: Oct 16 2021 at 4:48pm |
|
do the metal tab at the rivets have to go all the way under receive lip?
|
|
|
|
|
floydthecat
Hard Corps
Joined: Oct 13 2016 Location: Mississippi Status: Offline Points: 1998 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: Oct 16 2021 at 4:51pm |
As long as the guard stays on…no. Maybe you are thinking about shimming that area? It’s possible.
|
|
|
|
|
Rebel92
Grunt
Joined: Jul 20 2021 Location: Hattiesburg, MS Status: Offline Points: 541 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: Oct 16 2021 at 4:54pm |
|
yes. I put a very oily piece of a rag under the rivet, and it causes the handguard to try to stand up at the nose end, do you think that will help it engage the barrel band and the shim will hold the handguard in place? It looks promising to me but I am just beginning
|
|
|
|
|
Rebel92
Grunt
Joined: Jul 20 2021 Location: Hattiesburg, MS Status: Offline Points: 541 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: Oct 16 2021 at 4:56pm |
|
and on the side by side pic I posted above, do I want the band/retaining spring to fit like the carbine on the left?
|
|
|
|
|
Rebel92
Grunt
Joined: Jul 20 2021 Location: Hattiesburg, MS Status: Offline Points: 541 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: Oct 16 2021 at 5:23pm |
|
|
|
|
|
Rebel92
Grunt
Joined: Jul 20 2021 Location: Hattiesburg, MS Status: Offline Points: 541 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: Oct 16 2021 at 5:25pm |
|
|
|
|
|
Rebel92
Grunt
Joined: Jul 20 2021 Location: Hattiesburg, MS Status: Offline Points: 541 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: Oct 16 2021 at 5:27pm |
|
I just put a piece of cloth greased up and put it under rivet so it would be really snug, pulled it out from the receiver the tiny amount you can see in the pic, and it gave me the result I just posted pertaining to the band/retaining spring assembly. Is that what I want it to look like? And will that hold up? I’m gonna test it, but would like to know if I’m pissing in the wind.
|
|
|
|
|
floydthecat
Hard Corps
Joined: Oct 13 2016 Location: Mississippi Status: Offline Points: 1998 |
Post Options
Thanks(1)
Quote Reply
Posted: Oct 16 2021 at 5:33pm |
Yes, like the one on the left. If you are trying to shim something, it has to make the guard shift forward the distance of the gap. Just place something like a pipe cleaner, rubber band or string across the top of the rear tab so it will prevent the guard from going all way home. As long as enough of the tab is under the lip, it should stay. Refrain from prying or mistreating that lip, they can be damaged.
|
|
|
|
|
Post Reply
|
Page <123> |
| Forum Jump | Forum Permissions You cannot post new topics in this forum You cannot reply to topics in this forum You cannot delete your posts in this forum You cannot edit your posts in this forum You cannot create polls in this forum You can vote in polls in this forum |
Topic Options
Rebel92 wrote: