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    Posted: Oct 18 2023 at 9:54am
Originally posted by W5USMC W5USMC wrote:

Recently noticed that on page 148 of Riesch's 7th edition he mentions a KJ oiler as being a post war. There is no mention of a KJ oiler in the 8th edition.

I found an old post on the CMP forum from 2010 by Bill Ricca where he is talking about the oiler section of Riesch's book and states the following.

"Disregard that book. Most of the Oiler information is wrong.
WWII oilers were parkerized, blued, and dull black.

KJ does not exist.



Riesch 8th edition sums up all the changes on page 235 and says the KJ and BW may not exist.
I discussed the 8th edition did not have enough changes to justify buying if you had the 7th. 

Ricca was a valuable source of information.
He was correct on most things, however not everything. (who is?)

The KJ oiler being obvious as existing.
The finish on oilers early on were all blued but wore easily from sling friction.
I am fairly sure all the International Silver oilers were originally blued.
After the war things like oilers and magazines were pulled out of packaging and phosphate coated, put back in the packaging or repackaged.
I am sure some have seen oilers in the box for sale, and they are refinished with a phosphate coating
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Originally posted by W5USMC W5USMC wrote:

sling00, how about the oiler in the thread below?

Ha, I had forgot reading about that one.  Perhaps I should just stick with the USGI models?  But that takes the fun out of collecting.   I guess you're never really done and so the quest continues.  Thanks for the reminder.
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Originally posted by sling00 sling00 wrote:

I thought I had them all and now I find out KJ does exist.  Looks like I'll I have to keep an eye out for one. 

sling00, how about the oiler in the thread below?
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Originally posted by W5USMC W5USMC wrote:

 I happen to own a KJ oiler and as with the SN very likely post war Korean.

I thought I had them all and now I find out KJ does exist.  Looks like I'll I have to keep an eye out for one.  
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Recently noticed that on page 148 of Riesch's 7th edition he mentions a KJ oiler as being a post war. There is no mention of a KJ oiler in the 8th edition. 
I found an old post on the CMP forum from 2010 by Bill Ricca where he is talking about the oiler section of Riesch's book and states the following.

"Disregard that book. Most of the Oiler information is wrong.
WWII oilers were parkerized, blued, and dull black.
BK was WWII
KJ does not exist.
SN was Korean with a date circa 1976-80.
Here are US GI from WWII:
IW, II, ISP, BK, IQ, IN, IR, SW, IS
There was no Korean War production of oilers.
Circa 1957/58 - Polley Bros and Verson
1972 - Unmarked Yankee Hill Machine. It has a very unique finish and no foreign or repro look like it."

I happen to own a KJ oiler and as with the SN very likely post war Korean.

 
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Great review, thanks, Ralph
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Originally posted by Tankerfrank Tankerfrank wrote:

e stock pouches and M1 muzzle cover manufacturers names I've been collecting and collecting different manufacturers and trying to get every pouch I can but just can't seem to get them all


This should help on the muzzle covers.
When I get to it I will be doing the magazine pockets. As you can imagine it will be a big project
after that they will be available.
In the mean time there are posts on this forum on all the known makers of them.

War Baby series has info as well as out newsletters
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yes I did read the whole post I was just wondering if maybe there's plans for an
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The carbine book is currently the 8th edition. If you have the 7th I see no reason to get the 8th as the updates are minimal.
did you read this thread entirely?
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is there any plans for a new addition of the four collectors only books by Craig Riesch?
I have always found this style book being very convenient to look stuff up in one thing I wish they did a better chapter on was the stock pouches and M1 muzzle cover manufacturers names I've been collecting and collecting different manufacturers and trying to get every pouch I can but just can't seem to get them all
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Looking at his crossed cannons, does anyone have one like the "early RMC"?
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Page 143 (7th edition). Has IS magazine code listed as Standard Products. 
This has been corrected in the 8th edition page 173 where IS magazines are listed as Government Direct Purchase.
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Page 51 says the overall length of the gas piston is .72 inch. The Department of the Army Ordnance drawing says it's .695" to .705". I checked half a dozen samples in my spares inventory and they all matched the Ordnance drawing. I believe .72 inch is incorrect.
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I used to have a blade marked M3 from Aerial. The full name was stamped on the blade.
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Page 165 of both 7th & 8th edition, Table 6-1 M3 Trench Knives and M4 Bayonet Manufacturers.
Lists American Cutlery Company as a manufacturer for the M4 Bayonet. 
American Cutlery Company did not manufacture the M4 bayonet. 
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"There are two different markings used by Aerial. The one shown in this photo is the first style, and for some time was the subject of some speculation. During World War One, bolo knives made by the American Cutlery Company of Chicago were marked ACC. In some sources the M3 knives and M4 bayonets so marked were identified as being made by American Cutlery, and it was not until fairly recent years that it was determined that this was in fact an alternate marking used by Aerial Cutlery."
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Interesting having Harrison and Larson compared.
If you have Larson, read his last contributor to his project,  Mrs. Alice Harrison with a thank you for letting him "Update" and use final portions of Harrison's book.

If you have the newsletters look up the book review.

There may also be some review on the books page.

Nuff said on that, as it is not the topic of this post.
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Harrison's book is not useless. It works perfectly well for leveling a table with a short leg!
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Riesch is the best beginning collector book by far for just gun itself, Ruth's books are must have for history of the carbines, Harrison's book today is useless and while Larson's book has great layouts of the carbine itself but lacks detailed colored up close photos of the real nitty gritty. Some day someone will do a book that may put it all together showing fake markings and real markings. It would be nice but it would be thick. Rare is it the cheapest book is the best book but if only one book that is the Riesch book to have.
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Agree great article, here's my 2 cents. 

page 89. BR hammers listed as Rock-ola, CCNL 372-12 article by BQ offers evidence that these are replacement hammers made by Bruner/Ritter

page 160. says Springfield Armory (SA) is one of the manufacturers of the M1 recoil check, Springfield Armory Developed the recoil check but it is not believed they ever manufactured any. He also leaves out National Tool and Die (NLD) as one of the manufacturers. ref CCNL 155-5 article by Marty Black (page 156 of 8th Edition)
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Great article Marty!

I hope this encourages others to provide input on other "Mark-Ups" to their copy of Riesch's book. Here are a couple more:

page 59 Symbol that appears to be "PI" in a pennant is actually a stylized logo for American Swiss.

page 59 Add "JQM" as another Type 3 barrel band marking for post war rebuild.

page 68 Operating slide spring was actually specified as 10.28" per Dept. of Army drawings (yeah, I know this is a small difference).
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