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Ruth: SG Stock marked OI/40A, Found OI/39A

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Originally posted by Connor38 Connor38 wrote:

5.855 S.G. With an RSG Stock. Sling well has 9 D as well as a faint RSG. The carbine is believed to be as issued. Has SG in the the box as well as the ordnance stamp on the right side. 

It’s very hard to tell, but with the right lighting it appears there may be an 8 or a 9 between the definitive 9 and D making it a possible 98 or 99 D 

Can you post a photo, either here or on your thread at USmilitaria?
If you can also show the slide opening as well, maybe some of the more knowledgable guys can say if it started as a highwood and got cut down or was always a low wood.

From the photos you posted, I agree it looks to be unrestored and was missed in the various upgrade and rebuild programs.
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I will post pics for y’all.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote Connor38 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Dec 26 2022 at 11:41pm

Here ya go boys. If you look between the 9 and what I think is a D you can see what I think is a faint 9. The RSG is there in the top of the sling well but it’s faint. I promise it’s there lol I apologize for the crummy photos. 









Edited by W5USMC - Dec 27 2022 at 12:17am
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Originally posted by Connor38 Connor38 wrote:

Here ya go boys. If you look between the 9 and what I think is a D you can see what I think is a faint 9. The RSG is there in the top of the sling well but it’s faint.
Thanks.
I agree its a 9 9 D
The RSG is too faint for me to be sure I'm seeing it.  Am I correct the letters are about the same size as a the 9 9?
Let's call this a Type III stock as it left the factory unless someone more experienced informs us otherwise. 

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I'm going to work on updating the spreadsheet.  
The spreadsheet will allow quick sorting by serial number, stock type, or slingwell markings.
We can then cut and paste them back in the thread, or maybe give it to Jack for a supplement to his SG sheets. 

One change that needs to implemented is some way to uniquely identify the stock so we know if we have two that are similar versus two reports of the same stock.



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If the D is a different size it’s close to whatever size the 9 is. I can look at it again in person.
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I would describe the RSG in both of these as approximately the same size lettering as the numbers


In contrast to the RSG letters in the next photo which are smaller than the numbers.
 
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My hand guard is marked with the small RSG which is also faint. My sling well I believe has the same small font RSG. It’s just barely there, but with the right light you can make it out. 
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A big thanks to everyone who has contributed.  Please keep them coming!
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1. This is a summary following the same format Painter777 posted early in this thread.
    Stocks are listed in order of the sling well stamp number and then letter.  

2. The question arose whether there were duplicate reports of the same stock on the list.  Therefore, on the full spreadsheet I am now including additional information which will not be posted on-line.  A full serial number will help this - send it to me by if you don't want to post it on-line.

                                      
Type  
Slingwell Stamps              Carbine
 2       6 B          RSG                         3,256
 1    ? 8 E          IR-IP                       3,259
 2   [? 8?] F    TRIMBEL TN/ S.G.   3,341
 2  [8
or S] 7B   RSG                         unk  narrow tang?
 2     U 7                  
        8 A                                             3,262
 2     9 A           RSG                         
Unk
 2     14 F        _SG   
obscured  refinished  loose stock
 2     36 B        RSG                          3,44
 2?   39 A         OI                            3,37
       34F          RSG                          3,35
 1     40A         RMC                          
Unk
 2     40A          OI                            
UnK
 2     41 B    TRIMBLE/TN+SG        
UnK
 1     43F         RMC                         3,348
        45D         OI                             3,38
 2?   46 A       IO                             3,357
 2     47E        RSG                                 
loose stock
        4 8 D     TRIMBLE TN/ TSG    
Unk
 2?   48D    TRIMBLE  TN/TSG       3,384
 2?   49E    RSG                               3,39 
 2*   51A    RSG                               3,328
 2     51E     RSG              
                 loose stocl
 2*   53E      RSG                              5,858
 2     56        RSG                               3,400
        62C      RSG                              3,42
 2     67 C     RSG                              3,47
 2     75E       RSG                               UnK
 2     76 F     RSG                             3,501
 2     82E      RSG                                loose stock
 2*   84 D     RSG                            3,668 ?
 2     88F      RSG                             
UnK
 2*   94B, x  RSG                              
on Inland, Underwood rebuild
3     99D       RSG                             5,85
3    101A  X   RSG                          
on IBM, RIA Overhaul
3    102 A     RSG                            5,861
      102 B     RSG                              
loose stock
3    102, O    RSG                           5,861
3    105B      RSG                              
UnK
      105F     RSG                             5,56
2*  G105    R.S.G.                         5,86
                       
            O                RSG                     
Unk, on QHMC
 2    SG & Bomb   TRIMBLE TN         Unk      AA rebuild
 2    bomb, 7 C     RSG                       
loose stock
 2   bomb, A  8    RSG                    3,262
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2*  = Low wood that may have been cut down.
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3.47 original appearing.
high wood oval SG over 78E.

Appears to be a Trimble stock based on the nose shape


Edited by New2brass - Feb 25 2023 at 12:58pm
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Originally posted by New2brass New2brass wrote:

high wood oval SG over 78E.
Appears to be a trimble stock


Loose ?

Info added


Edited by New2brass - Feb 25 2023 at 12:58pm
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From Larry Ruth's collection.  (#91)
Type III (Low wood)
SG Ord Stamps.
stock on 3390816, unknown if original to carbine.
Underwood Rebuild program stamp.

 RSG small upper right of slingwell
A 3 5 in middle


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Just checked my 2 SG stocks
3   75E    TRIMBLE  TN                                Unk, AAM rebuild
2   76F    Unk, but a R is visible                    SG 3,486

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Asa Overall shares an interesting one, a RMC I-cut with no SG in slingwell. It does however have the SG number/letter of 90E

The interesting thing is it has the side cut for a rotated springtube. This would suggest earlier production stock. Did RMC send earlier and it sat around at Saginaw, or did it hang around RMC and sent later?

http://www.uscarbinecal30.com/forum/uploads/6054/IMG_3213.jpg

http://www.uscarbinecal30.com/forum/uploads/6054/IMG_3212.jpg

http://www.uscarbinecal30.com/forum/uploads/6054/IMG_3214.jpg

Unfortunately there is no longer any CC on the stock

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Asa also shares a 3,381,xxx SAG oval cut highwood with SG in box and CC. The slingwell is marked Trimble TN and SG with 38 A

Checking a loose stock on hand it is also a Trimble TN over S.G. with 38 B.
The number fonts are different between Asa's and this one and there are clearly periods between S and G
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Original Carbine 3325xxx
Type 2 stock:
RSG
31 E  Bomb



Original Carbine 3508xxx
Type 2 stock.  Very difficult to make out because of the roughness of wood fibers.  Looks like:
RSG
Bomb  1 E



Loose Type 2 stock:
RSG
Bomb  A



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Jangle.  Thanks!
Those add a new dimension to the ordnance bomb marked stocks.
Did those stocks all have SG acceptance stamps? 
I ask because I had been speculating the bomb stamp represented approval by Army inspectors for early production and those purchased direct by the US for replacements
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Hmm, the loose stock looks like it may be a 9?
the one above might be 81?

a page or two back Matt points out a ord bomb in a picture.
also a page or two back there is a RSG O, believed to be a "spares"
Since there was also a RSG 0 reported that is actually a Q and has proper QHMC CC

I think the O were type 2 stocks. In going with the theory that the numbers were done in an order we would see a transition of T1 stocks to T2.

Who is gonna be the updater of the list, Charlie or Matt?


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A few other SG stock markings to add to the list. None are original to the carbine these are now on if any. All of these have the SG in a box and crossed cannon on the right side.

Type 2 (highwood oval stocks)

IO
41 C

Q-RMC
53 C

RSG (large letters)
60 C

Type 3 (low wood oval stocks)

RSG (large letters)
102 E

RSG (large letters, upside down)
sideways Oval
103 B

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I don't know if this counts but a Saginaw S'G' #1830210 came with this OI flaming bomb with 9 Type 1 I stock. There is no viable cartouch on right side.
   
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Originally posted by Matt_X Matt_X wrote:

Jangle.  Thanks!
Those add a new dimension to the ordnance bomb marked stocks.
Did those stocks all have SG acceptance stamps? 
I ask because I had been speculating the bomb stamp represented approval by Army inspectors for early production and those purchased direct by the US for replacements

Yes Matt, all have boxed SG and CC cartouche on right side.

New2brass,  I've photographed at different angles and lighting and really cannot make out anything other than what I've noted.  If someone sees something different, it's fine by me.
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