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Matt_X 
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 Posted: Oct 13 2023 at 7:24am |
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Looks like a Saginaw buttplate to me (I'm not an expert) and that would add to likelyhood its an IO stock that was at the Saginaw plant. However Inland used the same buttplate, so its also possible this was an Inland stock. Pchanu found an early Inland that also has slingwell markings.  For now I think it belongs on the list. Whether it was always married to the S'G' reciever, its probably best to be doubtful. But Larry Ruth illustrates a 1,82 narrow tang S.G. receiver in WB! but I failed to find the explanation (IIRC I've read it - just cant' find it now). Hopefully someone more knowledgable and experienced will chime in.
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gglithox
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Posted: Oct 12 2023 at 4:39pm |
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Here is the butt plate. No markings on side of plate.
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Matt_X
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Posted: Oct 12 2023 at 12:06pm |
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I.R. stock with bomb mentioned above. My understanding is this was a seperate contract direct with Irwin after the Saginaw contracts were ended. Further that the bomb stamp indicates US gov't acceptance of the part individually. One bomb in the slingwell, and another in the oiler slot. Unfortunately, the stock was pretty heavily sanded. There is a P on the front of the grip and remnant of an arsenal stamp on the right cheek of the stock.     |
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Matt_X
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Posted: Oct 12 2023 at 11:46am |
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Maybe. Certianly interesting enough to include in the discussion. IIRC some 1,8 carbines were completed at the Saginaw plant very early on. Maybe the butplatte will be another clue?
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Matt_X
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Posted: Oct 12 2023 at 11:27am |
I see an A in the bottom of the loose stock. So I guess that is pretty certain I guess the question whether there is a 9 before the A or if its a bomb? Related to the bomb stamps, I have an I.R. stock purchased off of ebay with two bombs. One bomb in the slingwell, and another in the oiler slot. Unfortunately, the stock was pretty heavily sanded after it saw service as a rebuild. |
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Matt_X
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Posted: Oct 12 2023 at 10:12am |
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Dan, Look again at the first page. Charlie on one list has a 7 without letter, but manufacturer U. That might be an oops or might be deliberate. The U7 is from Ruth's WB! I don't think we know anyth9ing more about it. It looks like I'm the current keeper of the list. What I've been doing is maintaining a spreadsheet with additional columns for full serial number if known, and source of reference. It also lets us sort by number, letter, etc.
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New2brass
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Posted: Oct 12 2023 at 8:23am |
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@gglithox, another tough call. the OI and Ord bomb was a early 1943 stock Charlie's list has a 7 on a U stock followed by 7U on a ? Matt's redo list does not have just a 7, but has a U7 the U is out of the A-F we have seen, but early on could be variations???? If there was a 7 with no letter then just a 9 is possible. Hopefully a stock with CC will show up with an early number without a letter.
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jangle
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Posted: Oct 11 2023 at 7:48pm |
Yes Matt, all have boxed SG and CC cartouche on right side. New2brass, I've photographed at different angles and lighting and really cannot make out anything other than what I've noted. If someone sees something different, it's fine by me.
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Posted: Oct 11 2023 at 5:57pm |
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I don't know if this counts but a Saginaw S'G' #1830210 came with this OI flaming bomb with 9 Type 1 I stock. There is no viable cartouch on right side.
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Mike in NC
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Posted: Oct 11 2023 at 2:25pm |
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A few other SG stock markings to add to the list. None are original to the carbine these are now on if any. All of these have the SG in a box and crossed cannon on the right side.
Type 2 (highwood oval stocks) IO 41 C Q-RMC 53 C RSG (large letters) 60 C Type 3 (low wood oval stocks) RSG (large letters) 102 E RSG (large letters, upside down) sideways Oval 103 B |
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Posted: Oct 11 2023 at 11:42am |
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Hmm, the loose stock looks like it may be a 9? the one above might be 81? a page or two back Matt points out a ord bomb in a picture. also a page or two back there is a RSG O, believed to be a "spares" Since there was also a RSG 0 reported that is actually a Q and has proper QHMC CC I think the O were type 2 stocks. In going with the theory that the numbers were done in an order we would see a transition of T1 stocks to T2. Who is gonna be the updater of the list, Charlie or Matt? |
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Posted: Oct 11 2023 at 11:11am |
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Jangle. Thanks! Those add a new dimension to the ordnance bomb marked stocks. Did those stocks all have SG acceptance stamps? I ask because I had been speculating the bomb stamp represented approval by Army inspectors for early production and those purchased direct by the US for replacements
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Posted: Oct 11 2023 at 10:14am |
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Original Carbine 3325xxx Type 2 stock: RSG 31 E Bomb  Original Carbine 3508xxx Type 2 stock. Very difficult to make out because of the roughness of wood fibers. Looks like: RSG Bomb 1 E  Loose Type 2 stock: RSG Bomb A 
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Posted: Oct 07 2023 at 7:36pm |
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Asa also shares a 3,381,xxx SAG oval cut highwood with SG in box and CC. The slingwell is marked Trimble TN and SG with 38 A Checking a loose stock on hand it is also a Trimble TN over S.G. with 38 B. The number fonts are different between Asa's and this one and there are clearly periods between S and G
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Posted: Oct 05 2023 at 6:59pm |
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Asa Overall shares an interesting one, a RMC I-cut with no SG in slingwell. It does however have the SG number/letter of 90E The interesting thing is it has the side cut for a rotated springtube. This would suggest earlier production stock. Did RMC send earlier and it sat around at Saginaw, or did it hang around RMC and sent later?    Unfortunately there is no longer any CC on the stock |
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pchanu
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Posted: Feb 27 2023 at 10:15am |
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Just checked my 2 SG stocks
3 75E TRIMBLE TN Unk, AAM rebuild 2 76F Unk, but a R is visible SG 3,486 |
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Posted: Feb 25 2023 at 12:26pm |
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From Larry Ruth's collection. (#91) Type III (Low wood) SG Ord Stamps. stock on 3390816, unknown if original to carbine. Underwood Rebuild program stamp. RSG small upper right of slingwell A 3 5 in middle  |
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Posted: Feb 25 2023 at 12:20pm |
Loose ? Info added
Edited by New2brass - Feb 25 2023 at 12:58pm |
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Posted: Feb 24 2023 at 2:42pm |
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3.47 original appearing. high wood oval SG over 78E. Appears to be a Trimble stock based on the nose shape
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Posted: Jan 16 2023 at 12:00pm |
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A big thanks to everyone who has contributed. Please keep them coming! List Update 1. This is a summary following the same format Painter777 posted early in this thread. Stocks are listed in order of the sling well stamp number and then letter. 2. The question arose whether there were duplicate reports of the same stock on the list. Therefore, on the full spreadsheet I am now including additional information which will not be posted on-line. A full serial number will help this - send it to me by if you don't want to post it on-line. Type Slingwell Stamps Carbine 2 6 B RSG 3,256 1 ? 8 E IR-IP 3,259 2 [? 8?] F TRIMBEL TN/ S.G. 3,341 2 [8 or S] 7B RSG unk narrow tang? 2 U 7 8 A 3,262 2 9 A RSG Unk 2 14 F _SG obscured refinished loose stock 2 36 B RSG 3,44 2? 39 A OI 3,37 34F RSG 3,35 1 40A RMC Unk 2 40A OI UnK 2 41 B TRIMBLE/TN+SG UnK 1 43F RMC 3,348 45D OI 3,38 2? 46 A IO 3,357 2 47E RSG loose stock 4 8 D TRIMBLE TN/ TSG Unk 2? 48D TRIMBLE TN/TSG 3,384 2? 49E RSG 3,39 2* 51A RSG 3,328 2 51E RSG loose stocl 2* 53E RSG 5,858 2 56 RSG 3,400 62C RSG 3,42 2 67 C RSG 3,47 2 75E RSG UnK 2 76 F RSG 3,501 2 82E RSG loose stock 2* 84 D RSG 3,668 ? 2 88F RSG UnK 2* 94B, x RSG on Inland, Underwood rebuild 3 99D RSG 5,85 3 101A X RSG on IBM, RIA Overhaul 3 102 A RSG 5,861 102 B RSG loose stock 3 102, O RSG 5,861 3 105B RSG UnK 105F RSG 5,56 2* G105 R.S.G. 5,86 O RSG Unk, on QHMC 2 SG & Bomb TRIMBLE TN Unk AA rebuild 2 bomb, 7 C RSG loose stock 2 bomb, A 8 RSG 3,262 _____________________________________________ 2* = Low wood that may have been cut down.
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