Click on the image above to learn more about the M1 Carbine
|
Who made this stock? |
Post Reply | Page 12> |
Author | |
1989LX
On Point Joined: Jul 23 2019 Location: Gwinnett Co. GA Status: Offline Points: 123 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Posted: Oct 20 2020 at 7:45pm |
Sorry if this is the wrong forum! I picked this stock up off of ePay recently (Auction number 224183750479). It was a cheap high wood that hasn't been re-arsenaled in spite of the obvious, so I figured if anything, it may make a decent shooter stock. These photos are from the auction, and I do not have any of my own yet as I just got it in tonight and I am currently letting it soak in RLO as this thing was pretty dry. The sling well has no obvious markings, and where the buttplate goes there is an extra hole on the top and bottom. The stock to me, appears to have type 1 barrel band markings, as well as appearing to be made out of walnut with the inlays possibly being Pine. Comparing to other stocks I have, I think this may have been an Inland, but I wanted to ask you all if you guys had an idea as to who made it.
Photos: http://photos.app.goo.gl/EoYyhCqLZnvVXA189 Album link if the photos fail to appear for whatever reason: Edited by New2brass - Oct 21 2020 at 8:51am |
|
USGI magazines are like potato chips, you can't have just one!
|
|
W5USMC
Moderator Group Joined: Apr 29 2017 Location: Missouri Status: Offline Points: 2949 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
I magnified the pic of of the sling well, look close at possible remnants of an OI marking, but did Overton stocks have extra holes under the butt plate? Regardless, you got that thing pretty cheap!
|
|
Wayne
USMC Retired NRA Life Member |
|
1989LX
On Point Joined: Jul 23 2019 Location: Gwinnett Co. GA Status: Offline Points: 123 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
I saw that in person, yet I wasn't 100% sure if it really was an OI or not. I'll definitely take some closeups of that area under bright light tomorrow and report back. I thought it was inland initially because of the crossed cannons looking very similar, if not identical to one on an AA marked OI I have. I've honestly never seen a stock with extra holes under the buttplate, so I can't help you there unfortunately. |
|
USGI magazines are like potato chips, you can't have just one!
|
|
painter777
Hard Corps Joined: Feb 18 2016 Location: Central MI Status: Offline Points: 1708 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
Hard to tell from the sanding if the CC is real.
Nose profile reminds me of a early Underwood stock. Can you picture in front of the wood bridge so we can see how aggressive the milling/router work is? When you can. Charlie-P777
|
|
Living Free because of those that serve.....
|
|
1989LX
On Point Joined: Jul 23 2019 Location: Gwinnett Co. GA Status: Offline Points: 123 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
Yes, I can certainly do that once it is day outside. I have no reason to doubt the CC is fake as it definitely looks to have been there for a long time, as has the name carved into the grip, but this is only my observations, and admittingly, I'm not the most knowledgeable on such stamps, so take that with a grain of salt. |
|
USGI magazines are like potato chips, you can't have just one!
|
|
Smokpole
Hard Corps Joined: Oct 21 2019 Location: Madison ohio Status: Offline Points: 1052 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
Try lighting the sling bevel at an angle. Sometimes the angled lighting can help reveal the markings better than direct lighting.
|
|
OGCA Life member
NRA Life member Ashtabula Rod and Gun Life member |
|
1989LX
On Point Joined: Jul 23 2019 Location: Gwinnett Co. GA Status: Offline Points: 123 |
Post Options
Thanks(1)
|
Afternoon gentlemen. I took some photos in sunlight of the stock, and of a few areas I was asked to take photos of, namely the bridge and CC. Hopefully, these work. If you all want higher res photos, they're in the google photos album in the original post.
|
|
USGI magazines are like potato chips, you can't have just one!
|
|
03manV
On Point Joined: Mar 01 2020 Location: near Charlotte Status: Offline Points: 262 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
With the stock ordnance wheel that size and location it almost has to be Inland.
With the mods make to the stock, the original mfg really makes little difference, JMHO.
Edited by 03manV - Oct 21 2020 at 3:51pm |
|
Don
|
|
1989LX
On Point Joined: Jul 23 2019 Location: Gwinnett Co. GA Status: Offline Points: 123 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
I understand your opinion and what was done to it. I was more less trying to figure out the manufacturer to add to my notes and because I was genuinely stumped on it. And too, if need be, I can always use it as a shooter stock as well. Thanks for the help not only you but everyone else too! |
|
USGI magazines are like potato chips, you can't have just one!
|
|
New2brass
Moderator Group Dan Pinto, Photo Editor Joined: Nov 29 2015 Location: CT Status: Offline Points: 4627 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
Off the top of my head only S&C, Marlin (for Underwood) and Winchester stocks had the additional holes. There may be others. (This does not include potbelly stocks) One thing to check is the inside walls and bridge for markings The CC is clearly not IBM (SCB) nor Underwood. It is not Inland. The picture from the angle may be skewing the picture. There is one item making me say not Winchester, but with that I will let those more intimate with Winchester to take a look.
|
|
painter777
Hard Corps Joined: Feb 18 2016 Location: Central MI Status: Offline Points: 1708 |
Post Options
Thanks(2)
|
I looked under butt plates today. All were Type I or Type II Hi-woods.
Single hole: S-HB, OI, HI, RSG (SG), RSG (S'G'), IR, RSG TO I (TRANSFER), RMC, RMC TO I (TRANSFER), RMC B, QRMC, TRIMBLE FOR NPM, TRIMBLE FOR SG, S-HB, SJ AND LW-B, JL-B, JL, P-U, (Assume IR-IP) Three holes: WRA, SC-B, S&C-U, M-U, BR-B, J No examples of HQ. Examples of any replacement stocks that are marked in the sling well requested.. Like M and bomb, P and any others. The 2 Extra holes on the OP's stock appear larger than those on a WRA stock. You can compare them to a picture in the Milsurps link below. The milling forward of the bridge shows a larger / wider diameter router (?) bit was used than found on WRA stocks, which had a smaller less aggressive bit used. I'll add a couple example pictures below. So much sanding has been done that other clues we attribute to WRA stocks can't be seen. See this link about common stock clues found on WRA stocks: The Crossed Cannon stamp appears to be a copy. I do not believe it is real. The Inlayed wood appears to be Oak. Compare the pictures below to the OP's. These will show the smaller diameter bits used to cut forward of the wood bridge on WRA stocks: I feel it's a Marlin made Underwood stock, but that's JMO. Respectfully Submitted, Charlie-P777
Edited by painter777 - Jan 23 2021 at 11:34am |
|
Living Free because of those that serve.....
|
|
Smokpole
Hard Corps Joined: Oct 21 2019 Location: Madison ohio Status: Offline Points: 1052 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
Looking at the angled shot of the sling bevel, the marking looks like a U oriented about 30° to the left. With the wood removal in front of it, it could well be an M-U marked stock.
|
|
OGCA Life member
NRA Life member Ashtabula Rod and Gun Life member |
|
1989LX
On Point Joined: Jul 23 2019 Location: Gwinnett Co. GA Status: Offline Points: 123 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
Forgive me for sounding crass, but could you point out where you believe an M-U or similar once was? I've gone over it with magnifying glasses and bright lights but for the life of me could not see any markings at all. I did notice that some wood was removed, which for what reason I cannot figure out. |
|
USGI magazines are like potato chips, you can't have just one!
|
|
m1a1fan
Hard Corps Got Para? Joined: Jan 01 2016 Location: Virginia Status: Offline Points: 1736 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
Looks like a Milton Bradley (BR-B) stock. The ones I've seen have 3 holes (no numbers) and a sling well profile simliar to Winch, but not as angled and more rounded at the edges. Thought I had posted pictures in a previous thread and will look for them or repost.
The OP's stock has some kind of mark on the bridge. Could just be dents though. Edited by moneawon - Aug 09 2021 at 5:17pm |
|
Smokpole
Hard Corps Joined: Oct 21 2019 Location: Madison ohio Status: Offline Points: 1052 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
Look just ahead of the vertical "grind" mark near the top. Looks like a faint U tipped toward the left. The triangular sanded area just below it is where the M- would have been. Could also look a bit like a partial 0 but it is a little too big for the typical OI.
|
|
OGCA Life member
NRA Life member Ashtabula Rod and Gun Life member |
|
m1a1fan
Hard Corps Got Para? Joined: Jan 01 2016 Location: Virginia Status: Offline Points: 1736 |
Post Options
Thanks(1)
|
For reference, a Milton Bradley High Wood BR-B Stock The angle of the sling well inlet (not sure what this area is called), appears different depending on how the picture is taken. Right Image: Appears flatter. Left Image: Straight on view Right Image: Lying flat view |
|
1989LX
On Point Joined: Jul 23 2019 Location: Gwinnett Co. GA Status: Offline Points: 123 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
If you all would like them, I can take better, clearer photos of the sling well when there is daylight.
|
|
USGI magazines are like potato chips, you can't have just one!
|
|
New2brass
Moderator Group Dan Pinto, Photo Editor Joined: Nov 29 2015 Location: CT Status: Offline Points: 4627 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
If you are taking pictures then outside under a tree or in the shade results in very good pictures. In direct sun it casts hard shadows ans could bleach markings. Another way to get markings to show is direct light run across the top of the markings which will create mini shadows in the markings which the camera can sometimes pick up what the eye does not see |
|
1989LX
On Point Joined: Jul 23 2019 Location: Gwinnett Co. GA Status: Offline Points: 123 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
I'll keep those tips in mind. Thanks Dan!
|
|
USGI magazines are like potato chips, you can't have just one!
|
|
NavyFC(SW)
Recruit Joined: Nov 12 2020 Location: Lebanon ohio 45 Status: Offline Points: 3 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
I could use a little help on some of my stock markings, first does anyone know how the inspector "K" was at Augusta Arsenal? also what does the "z" on the bottom of the handle on the stock stand for, and in the sling well, there is a "J" stamped, I have seen where is is a battle field replacement stock, a Jewell Bro Co marking and a Jamestown lounge stamp, the stamp on the right side of the stock resembles the Jamestown Lounge cross cannons Stamp. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks ...
|
|
Post Reply | Page 12> |
Forum Jump | Forum Permissions You cannot post new topics in this forum You cannot reply to topics in this forum You cannot delete your posts in this forum You cannot edit your posts in this forum You cannot create polls in this forum You can vote in polls in this forum |