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    Posted: Oct 24 2021 at 12:06pm
That light colored wood is probably maple. The color is right and so is the grain. It retains the light color even when oiled. I use it for black powder pistol stocks because of the blonde color.
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Don't be sorry Oldboy, better to add to older posts, helps keep everything in one place. 
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Oops, sorry about bringing up an old post. I was searching the forum for a pic of a Winchester M2 trigger housing. I have one in a Std.Pro. mixmaster, and was curious about the same short mag well cuts shown earlier in this post. What a great resource this forum is!Clap
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WB says that NPM sent 1500 stocks to Winchester late in '43 made by Trimble. Would they have included the butt plate?
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Originally posted by Why Carbines? Why Carbines? wrote:

I've seen it noted over on the CMP site by a known collector that NPM buttplates have been seen on late Winchester carbines.

That's interesting, I wish there were some markings left on the stock to nail it down but I've looked hard and couldn't find anything.

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Nice looking rifle. My 2 bits, keep the stock because it was your dads and find a 2nd more traditional M-1 stock , either a nice USGI or do up one of the Boyd's unfinished stocks and use that as a shooter stock.



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Those inlays look like maple to me. Easy to work and light in color.
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I've seen it noted over on the CMP site by a known collector that NPM buttplates have been seen on late Winchester carbines.
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That was a great story and your dad did an awesome job on that stock.

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Thanks, appreciated!

And he was not quite 20 when he sailed. He kept at it until he died, mainly pistol grips in the later years - I have a pair of his checkered walnut grips on my 1911. 

Other than a sporterized 30-40 Krag (still have it, too), I don't remember many customized rifles. Mostly shotguns and pistols.
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Enjoyed reading your story. I'm usually not much for modified rifles but that stock is a great piece of work.
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Your dad did an awesome job.  Sadly that kind of craftsmanship is an art that is not to easy to come by nowadays.  
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OK, last set of pics

Butt Plate, as far as I can tell, it's the same as the first National Postal Meter example on this site



Inlay under the forearm. No idea what the wood is.



Inlay in the stock



Stock, went outside to try to get the color and grain to show up



Assembled left



Assembled right side


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Originally posted by New2brass New2brass wrote:

Look at the bottom of your trigger housing in front of the trigger guard. Any markings? Winchester is known for having markings there.


Yes, an incomplete W just in front of the trigger guard on the bottom.
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differences in manufacturing form different manufacturers. The cut type did not change as time went on.

A few tid bits, the t6 Trigger housing is considered the latest version and backward compatiable to all carbine variations.

Many older trigger housings have been updated to the later specifications, so you will see the hole on trigger housings of all types.
Same is true with the 9 spring cut. So though the M2 requires the later parts, they are not specific to the M2 carbine. there are only 7 parts which are considered M2 only.

Look at the bottom of your trigger housing in front of the trigger guard. Any markings? Winchester is known for having markings there.

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Originally posted by W5USMC W5USMC wrote:

Yep, that is/was a legit Winch type 3 barrel band, too bad it was cut and the swivel is missing. 
As New2brass already mentioned about the rear wall of the trigger housing, some manufactures had grooves the full length of the wall vertically and some did not.See link below for info on trigger housings.

What was throwing me was I got it in my head that the partial grooves in the mag well wall were only a feature of early versions, but re-reading that it says just differences in manufacturing. Having the little hole seems to be only a feature of later versions so that threw me. But now it makes sense, especially with the M2 mod to the mag well and the M2 slide, that this was just a late production M1. 

And it also could explain the early high wood National Postal Meter stock (assuming the stock went with the butt plate I have). Carved up a stock that he liked, snagged the newest model M1 guts he could get towards the end of his service and stuffed that into his preferred stock. There was probably an older NPM M1 in a Winchester stock back in the ship's arsenal when they got to port. Wish I had that Winchester stock.
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Very nice.
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Yep, that is/was a legit Winch type 3 barrel band, too bad it was cut and the swivel is missing. 
As New2brass already mentioned about the rear wall of the trigger housing, some manufactures had grooves the full length of the wall vertically and some did not.See link below for info on trigger housings.
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And that's not rust on the barrel, the varnish used - or maybe just old oil turned to varnish - is on there. The recoil plate looks brass from the yellowing effect it had on the metal where it was rubbed bare before varnishing.

I've cleaned it up a lot since the pics, it's a really nice looking gun. The only real wear is the bluing on the bolt is pretty thin/gone in spots.
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OK, trying to get close ups I had a little trouble getting focus but I warned you!

In no particular order, barrel band:



Mag Well rear wall showing short slots, but the M2 style relief on the right.

W on mag release




Left side of trigger, W on hammer "EW" on safety, little hole by mag release slide



Right side, W on the rear side, but a C and an A on either side of that. I've read that Winchester sometimes added another letter and sometimes a number, but I'm not sure what these mean. Underlined M on mag release.




There's a W on the trigger, couldn't get a shot of that.

PW on the barrel




Flaming Bomb, badly out of focus, on side of gas block.



That's it for now, I'll get some stock pics later and anything else somebody wants if I can get a pic of it.
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