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    Posted: Aug 29 2020 at 4:22pm
Ok, I ran 100 rounds of the Korean surplus through the Plainfield today. It ate it up with zero issues. IMO the Korean has a little more "ommph" than the PPU and Armscor I've been using through it.

The down side, the surplus seems a tad dirtier than the PPU, it took a few more patches to clean it up.

I'll run another 100 next weekend and see what happens. 
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Ok, I made the outdoor range today, another 150 rounds.


1st 75 rounds. The 5 hits in the 7 and 8 rings are the 1st 5 rounds, I start dialing and by the end of the 50 rounds PPU I'm using have it where I want. I did have 3 FTF/FTE's on the 1st 15 rounds, I changed mags for rest of this target no issues.


65 rounds this target. I knocked the elevation off so I had to double check that. Quick fix and the only issue I had was 1 FTF about 40 rounds in. This is using Aquila brand which I always seem to have 1 FTF every 100 rounds any Carbine I've used it on recently.

Lucky for me I'm out, I've got to test a new Sig P229 tomorrow and figure I'll try 100 rounds of Armscor while I'm at it. So far every Carbine I've used that on eats it up. Otherwise I might look into new extractor springs for the bolt on this one. I figure while they might not have been shot much they are 54 years old, new ones won't hur
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Nice you have the GI trigger housing.

I recently replaced a late style cast trigger housing out of a friends Plainfield. Where the hammer would strike/stop on the left side had chipped away the edge of both the TH and the cast hammer. letting the hammer bind slightly down ward. His bolt was GI and showed slight hits on the rear left edge.

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The M1 Carbine out to 150 yards or in as close as 20 feet or the end of the muzzle will out perform any AR pistol.

BTW 5.56 performance from a short barrel with SP or HP is lacking, it requires  55 or 62 FMJ. 

The 30 Carbine like soft points for soft targets and FMJ for harder targets.
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Originally posted by David Milisock David Milisock wrote:

Having carried the M2 in M1A1 configuration and having an M1A1 I can tell you the rapid fire takes practice. However in close power is better then the 5.56 NATO in the M4. 

The synthetic stock, with the grips add just a bit of weight and makes  up close rapid follow up shots a bit easier. Jury's still out on the light.

I'm waiting to get an AR in the new 6MM ARC, it's a 108 grain projectile at 2,600 FPS in a 16" barrel it's 8 lbs and in that configuration because it operates at 52,000 PSI can rapid fire without barrel damage and make 700 yard hits.

It took 80 years but they finally capitalized on the lessons from the M1 Carbine. The 30 Carbine was that far ahead of its contemporaries. 



I plan on comparing the Carbine I "convert" to a TAC rifle to my current "SHTF" AR-15 setup, a BCM 14.5 pinned build with a red dot on it.

I already know with the Choate stock the Carbine fits into a non gun bag looking gym bag while the AR doesn't. I've never liked how AR "pistols" handle and figure the ATF will crack down on the "stocks" being used sooner or later....under the radar is the best way to stay out of trouble.

Out to 150 yards (the range I figure I would need a "truck rifle") the .30 Carbine should be as effective as 5.56 in a "pistol" AR 
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Having carried the M2 in M1A1 configuration and having an M1A1 I can tell you the rapid fire takes practice. However in close power is better then the 5.56 NATO in the M4. 

The synthetic stock, with the grips add just a bit of weight and makes  up close rapid follow up shots a bit easier. Jury's still out on the light.

I'm waiting to get an AR in the new 6MM ARC, it's a 108 grain projectile at 2,600 FPS in a 16" barrel it's 8 lbs and in that configuration because it operates at 52,000 PSI can rapid fire without barrel damage and make 700 yard hits.

It took 80 years but they finally capitalized on the lessons from the M1 Carbine. The 30 Carbine was that far ahead of its contemporaries. 
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Originally posted by David Milisock David Milisock wrote:

Here are my 2 shooters M1A1 is Inland the TAC is a Quality Hardware, both are well maintained and as reliabe as any M4.


Nice, I haven't decided if I want to add a pistol grip to the Choate stock when I finally modify it for the tac rail
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Here are my 2 shooters M1A1 is Inland the TAC is a Quality Hardware, both are well maintained and as reliabe as any M4.
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Originally posted by David Milisock David Milisock wrote:

Aguila seems spotty as far as I've read. I reloads and have a chronograph so I clock all my handload and any factory ammo I buy. I get rid of any Carbine ammo that does not average 1950 FPS over 10 rounds. Most I've bought lately average 1975. My loads average over 2000 FPS.

I'd read the same thing but during the 1st week of the current panic bought a case of 500 because it was in stock at "normal" prices. I was scrounging the internet looking for any .30 Carbine brass cased in stock. I got very lucky, I found a place with Armscor at $11.99 a box and snapped that up.

I swear no 2 rounds of the Aquila have the same feel on recoil, and it's "weaker" than my Armscor, S&B and PPU types 
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Aguila seems spotty as far as I've read. I reloads and have a chronograph so I clock all my handload and any factory ammo I buy. I get rid of any Carbine ammo that does not average 1950 FPS over 10 rounds. Most I've bought lately average 1975. My loads average over 2000 FPS.
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Originally posted by David Milisock David Milisock wrote:

An M1 Carbine ( government issue WWII ) is an older rifle 75 or 80 years old, so just like you and me needs some care. 

Make sure the parts are in spec, replace the springs, get and test good mags and feed it good near maximum pressure ammunition. 

It only operates at 40,000 PSI, likes to be held firmly and best of all when treated well, GETS THE JOB DONE!

I had my 2 USGI Inlands and a Made in Japan "Howa" (based on a WWII Winchester receiver) worked over by Fulton Armory over the past year.

 

Left to right (that picture is loaded funny on my hosting site), Fulton Armory new production, 2 USGI Inlands and the Howa. The later 3 have new barrels, gas pistons and new springs and other parts as recommended by FA.

Right now all 4 love Armscor and S&B, no issue with PPU but the Howa has had problems with Aguila. I'm almost out of that so I'll burn that through the Plainfield to get rid of it.
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An M1 Carbine ( government issue WWII ) is an older rifle 75 or 80 years old, so just like you and me needs some care. 

Make sure the parts are in spec, replace the springs, get and test good mags and feed it good near maximum pressure ammunition. 

It only operates at 40,000 PSI, likes to be held firmly and best of all when treated well, GETS THE JOB DONE!
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Originally posted by David Milisock David Milisock wrote:

If you search around on the internet, (I recently switched to Bing and dumped Google) you'll find some examples of what others have done. Word to the wise, be careful crossing State lines the 30 Carbine has been placed on several bad gun lists. The folding stocks, 30 round and some States even the 15 round mags, bayonet lugs, all BS but still what they've done.

I'm glad I don't live in New Jersey, that's for sure.

I'm in Cincinnati so I should be ok. The only problem I "could" have is if I carried it loaded in my car. Your only allowed 1 loaded weapon on you "possession" at a time under Ohio CCW laws and it has to be a pistol.

Your allowed to have loaded mags for a rifle though and I figure a folded M-1 Carbine fits in a gym bag I have nicely. If I happen to run into anything "sporty" I'll use a pistol 1st and then try for the rifle.

I own several AR carbine length rifles but have never been a fan of "pistol" AR's. A reliable M-1 Carbine with a folding stock should do nicely if I needed it and take as much time to deploy as a AR carbine, plus be easier to conceal IMO   
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If you search around on the internet, (I recently switched to Bing and dumped Google) you'll find some examples of what others have done. Word to the wise, be careful crossing State lines the 30 Carbine has been placed on several bad gun lists. The folding stocks, 30 round and some States even the 15 round mags, bayonet lugs, all BS but still what they've done.
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Originally posted by David Milisock David Milisock wrote:

An M1 Carbine TAC rifle! 😀
I have one myself, in my opinion the M1 Carbine was way ahead in concept for 1940's design. Truly the M2 was the first close quarter assult rifle. 

I have an Inland in M1A1 shooter that is great, my Quality Hardware tactical handles rapid fire drills on the range a bit better due to the increased weight. However the M1A1 was ahead of it's time because when it comes to clear the room drills it maneuvers it's stil very good.
 
I can't decide which Carbine to mount the tac rail on. Common sense says the Fulton Armory one I own since it's the newest made one and the wood stock is already set up for the mount (all my "birch" stocks will need reaming out).

The Howa on the other hand has been rebuilt by FA and has new barrel, trigger group parts as needed and a new bolt so it's basically sound. I did reuse the front sight when they replaced the worn rear sight so it could use some filing down to get a proper zero.

I have to aim about a inch low at 50 yards to hit the 10 ring. I figure putting a red dot (I've got a Vortex Sparc MkI that was just sitting on a AR I seldom shoot) on it would cure that issue and having 2 stocks set up for the tac rail I can swap as I feel the need, use the normal stock for range days and keep the Choate stock for the truck gun option.

I'm really wanting to test Hornady .30 HP but can't find any in stock. That would be my "truck gun" loadout. I've 2 .30 round USGI mags that I still need to check through all my Carbines but I figure if those don't work I'm up to 12 15 rounders I trust (been testing different ones every range trip)      
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An M1 Carbine TAC rifle! 😀
I have one myself, in my opinion the M1 Carbine was way ahead in concept for 1940's design. Truly the M2 was the first close quarter assult rifle. 

I have an Inland in M1A1 shooter that is great, my Quality Hardware tactical handles rapid fire drills on the range a bit better due to the increased weight. However the M1A1 was ahead of it's time because when it comes to clear the room drills it maneuvers it's stil very good.
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Originally posted by floydthecat floydthecat wrote:

Ideally, you have one with a GI hammer and bolt that has shootable head space. That being the case, shoot it and enjoy it. If one tries to improve a commercial and bring one that is not In spec. up to USGI standards, they can purchase a good USGI shooter for about the same investment and maybe less. 

That's the plan, I sort of wanted a "cheap'' commercial Carbine I could use as a beater and keep my current USGI's and FA low mileage.

I'm actually tempted to swap the trigger group from this and use it on my "Howa" mixmaster that has a Winchester receiver on it for some reason (that was a oddball I think some of you will remember from last year).

I doubt if I do, it also going to be a "beater". Current plan is adding a Ultimak rail and fitting it to a Choate folding stock I have and running a red dot on it, turning that into this.

I'll also ream the wood stock the Howa has on it so I can swap them around. I'm waiting for a friend to let me borrow a Dremel set and Numrich to ship me a walnut stock I ordered for one of my USGI's.

I've got a spare stock here now but figure better to have a 2nd in case I screw up. It'll make Carbine "purists" cry but I think that rig pictured is a ideal "truck gun" set up. Handy to use, 18" barrel if I need to hit out to 200-300 yards and folded as compact as most AR pistols.
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Ideally, you have one with a GI hammer and bolt that has shootable head space. That being the case, shoot it and enjoy it. If one tries to improve a commercial and bring one that is not In spec. up to USGI standards, they can purchase a good USGI shooter for about the same investment and maybe less. 
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Originally posted by 03manV 03manV wrote:

What part do you think is more likely to break with steel case ammo than brass?

Long term, I would say extractor or wearing the gas piston out faster with dirty ammo
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What part do you think is more likely to break with steel case ammo than brass?
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