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    Posted: Mar 26 2020 at 10:57am
painter777 the link you sent me shows an adjustable sight, bayonet lug, and the "metal butt at the end of stock"   all this is real to the time? my gun is almost identical to the link you sent first picture has all matching parts. even the flip safety is like mine.   


just really wanting to know more on the weapon. it was bought off of a widow that said her husband brought it home with him from the war and It never got touched. it was EXTREMELY dirty on a table at a garage sale she was having. I left her my number because she said she thought she had the sling and what do you know she called me two days later and gave me the sling and oiler.
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it is half of an +/X and the other half is lost in the slot just as shown on the above pictures!   this is really cool that everyone is here to point out more and more knowledge on this gun!!   Keep it goint everyone and thank you all!!!
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yes the serial number is stamped in front of the sight and it is 2868700
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zcurtis...a hump is a fake.
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Is there a marking in the slingwell on the left side of the stock?

Is the magazine catch marked M that is underlined or a plain M? Check the area that touches that magazine as there may be markings.

Did you know that the Navy referred to the magazine catch as a "Magazine Lock" in one of their publications? CCNL 235

XX vs. ++ screws:  ++ were used by Winchester and Inland later on in production. The reason people think it is an X is due to the slot cut which many times obliterates one of the + symbols.
Look closely and you will most likely see a remnant of the other +
If you have it check out CCNL 371 article by Chris Albright 



XX do exist, they are humps. It is an example of how far people will go to "correct" a carbine rather then searching for the correct part. The ++ are not uncommon.

*EDIT* to add, I am not saying that the one in question is a XX or fake, hump etc. As a mater of fact a XX would be far rarer than a ++ being that someone is stamping them XX in their basement.


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Originally posted by zcurtis zcurtis wrote:

   I do not want to go to talk about it and sound like an idiot!   At least not to a group of people I know

There are plenty on the auction sites that sounding like an idiot doesn't stop!

This link will help you with the lingo..... just click on the grouping you looking in to for part names:

Edit to add: 
Zcurtis, I believe I can see your Serial number stamped in front of your rear sight.
I have to magnify to see and the view gets fuzzy, but I think I'm right. When your carbine was made it would have had the L shaped 'FLIP REAR SIGHT'. When these were upgraded to a rear adjustable sight (which in many cases covered the serial number in back) many had the serial number stamped where we see yours is now located.

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yes what I see as a capitol L could be half on an X because it is in the slot!   

And again I am completely open to be schooled on anything to do with this weapon.   I do not want to go to talk about it and sound like an idiot!   At least not to a group of people I know šŸ¤£
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zcurtis,
The screw that slides down thru the Recoil plate threads in to the Escutheon nut that is pressed in the bottom of the stock. 
That screw is the Recoil plate screw. Some (most associate to Winchester) have a single or double struck letter 'X' on top. Some believe they are Plus marks (+) instead of x's.
The L you see on the screw head is probably a partial strike.... near the slot.

Note: Do not try to remove the nut inserted in the bottom of the stock, more than likely you'll crack/split or do some other type damage to your stock.

Getting familiar with part names and types:
Look at completed Data Sheets. Printing off a clear copy of a Data sheet would help you ID part names, locations of markings and how they changed as improvements were made.

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Originally posted by W5USMC W5USMC wrote:

I say the bayonet holder is a bayonet lug.Wink

You caught me on that one! I was in the midst of trying to figure out what a barrel tie down was.šŸ˜„
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I only know of X X marks on the recoil plate screws and I say the bayonet holder is a bayonet lug.Wink
The recoil plate connects the rear of the receiver not the barrel to the stock.
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After we both fool with these little guns for 75-years like some of these forum members have, me and you both will be up-to-speed on proper terminology.Big smile

That part would be called the recoil plate. The vast majority of the screws were not marked (I think). One of these smarty-pants experts will be along shortly to tell us what that L could be.
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Iā€™ll take it all like a sponge, no worries. I donā€™t consider myself anything in this field.   

And The metal that screws directly into the wood stock that is more of a sight setting at the back of barrel?  Again I know my terms arenā€™t correct. On the screw head I see what looks like a capitol L
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Originally posted by zcurtis zcurtis wrote:

bayonet holder stamped EM-Q

Sling band stamped J.M.O.

M is stamped on the clip release

The tie down for the barrel I can barely make out as a capital L?

Not making light of things here and we all had to learn sometime.

Bayonet Holder is a bayonet stud. LUG
Sling Band is a barrel band.
Clip Release is a magazine catch.

You lost me on the ā€œtie down for the barrelā€.


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bayonet holder stamped EM-Q

Sling band stamped J.M.O.

M is stamped on the clip release

The tie down for the barrel I can barely make out as a capital L?
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On bottom of stock grip handle it HAD a stick on pad that I took off and cleaned wood with rim oil.    

As for others I polished ā€œfeeder slotsā€???  And FMJ round tipped bullets shot 50 rounds without error!!!  Thanks for those tips!!


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Originally posted by W5USMC W5USMC wrote:

I have not had issues shooting critical defense ammo.

I take the above statement back. Critical Defense works fine in some of my carbines but I just tried to fire a magazine full in a otherwise very dependable carbine and could not get 3 rounds off without a failure to feed. Loaded the mag up with Corbon DPX hunter and it fired flawlessly. 
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Looks like a post war stock. What's that on the grip?
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I had problems with soft points feeding as well. I polished the ramp with polishing compound and haven't had a single miss fire since. It even stopped the occasional jamb with standard rounds.
You don't need to remove any metal, just make it shiny.
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it is just something I wanted to mention. the critical defense sometimes will shoots 30+ rounds without an issue but sometime the 2nd cold shot is the one to jam. hopefully we can point to a mag at some point as the issue that would make me a lot happier.
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that was a though I was discussing, I did not get the rifle with a magazine so I bought a 10 round mag and a 15 but both of them have the same issue, that being said it IS a 2020 magazine in a 1940's gun so yeah that could be it, I will get a box of the ammo you mentioned with the ball tip FMJ and try to get back to you In a reasonable time with how they cycle.
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