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New2brass
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I have not seen production numbers of magazines post WW2.
I believe WW2 magazines required from production were 100 per carbine produced, I do not think this was a requirement of the prime contractor but what ordnance ordered. this would mean over six hundred million were produced! I suspect they expected a lot of mag casualties, but at only 100 per carbine it would seem that they were expected to be recouped and reused if possible. Just the same with those high number made I still have trouble finding some of the manufacturer codes. Either someone has a heck of a horde or they are lost to the world.
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David Milisock
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We resupplied for every mission with new mags as well as other standard and specialized gear. Our firearms were regulary checked by our armorer. I can attest to the fact that when I dropped a mag it was no longer of any importance and I never picked them up unless covering our trail required it. I was carrying enough weight and unless the mission required it humping back empty mags was not happening. I believe from the slow motion video, once I heal up for my self loaders I'll go through and recheck my mag stores, fix the marginal and inventory all good mags. I'll shoot a specific set until they get wonky, especially from my carbines.
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BER911
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Reminiscing back to 1968 and small unit actions...our first priority in a fire fight was to obtain fire superiority. In other words, get the enemy down and taking cover. The M-60 was invaluable in that regard and did it's job well in getting the enemy to take cover. It was not uncommon for the grunts to empty one or two M14/M16 magazines during the initial engagement. Most of the grunts carried at least 8 loaded mags and a stash of loose rounds. I carried 6 loaded clips for my M1911A1.
W5USMC is right about changes in position during the fire fight. We had instances where our Corpsman was caught in a vulnerable position and needed to move ASAP. Many times our "skipper" was in a position that hindered his ability to control the action and needed to relocate. I was the radioman/FO and many times needed to change position so I could better observe the enemy and direct artillery fire as needed. Also, we reused our magazines many times. I only got "new" ones when one was lost or damaged; "new" mags/clips were typically used but functional. Sorry for the digression, now back to our regularly scheduled program.
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Semper Fi, Bruce
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W5USMC
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No one said anything about "Charging" but believe it or not there are instances when a squad or fire team member needs to move position whether it is left or right or even back and other members have to provide cover fire. |
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Wayne
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BetsyMePoocho
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Maybe so, but full auto mag dumps are very effective when providing cover fire, and at the range they are down right fun. [/QUOTE] Maybe so? Like laying patches on pavement, while "cool", it's dumb. Just wait a second or two until they're over. Expensive and accomplishes nothing.[/QUOTE] Which way are our troops charging during this cover fire???
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blackfish
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Maybe so? Like laying patches on pavement, while "cool", it's dumb. Just wait a second or two until they're over. Expensive and accomplishes nothing. |
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floydthecat
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Huuummmm. Off topic I guess, but I didn’t start it. 357 Carbine. Makes me consider if I may want to pursue converting my 9mm to 357. Nah...I shoot 9mm reloads for about 5-cents each.
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W5USMC
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Interesting videos, Dan.
Maybe so, but full auto mag dumps are very effective when providing cover fire, and at the range they are down right fun. |
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Wayne
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BetsyMePoocho
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If the mag's were only used once maybe that is why battles are so expensive??? Good thought David, but I have to wonder........
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David Milisock
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My thoughts on the magazine lockup is that in combat you carry new prepackaged mags for each insert. So the beating the mags take means little.
In the world today we reuse magazines over and over for years and that repeated shaking from side to side weakens the lockup. I'll have to double check but the shallow magazine well of the carbine may be the issue.
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David Milisock
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New2brass
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdabWL2cDUc
look at the mag lockup at 1:24 few more slomos M2 SloMo
https://www.youtube.com/watch? M2 SloMo https://www.youtube.com/watch? M1 SloMo https://www.youtube.com/watch? M1 Carbine in .357 Magnum SloMo https://www.youtube.com/watch? |
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David Milisock
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Of interest to me was the lack of support for the 30 round magazine in the video. I always thought 30 round mag support in the carbine to be marginal.
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David Milisock
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tenOCEE
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Mag dumps are totally understandable. Full auto is not a necessity in our world. It's an enjoyable pursuit.
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BetsyMePoocho
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Correct you are.... AND unless the trigger holder is not sponsored by the US Gov very expensive........
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painter777
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Good eye 1st M188, Right @ 1:57 you'll see that last round fly out CH-P777
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blackfish
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Of interest is that the original specifications for developing the M1 carbine called for select fire capability. It took quite a while to get it right. Spray and pray was never encouraged. Mag dumps are dumb.
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David Milisock
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Road Rat I agree suppressive fire in my opinion is the proper use for full auto and even then only some times. Being surrounded and a long way from extraction is a unique experience, I'm not a fan of wasting supplies.
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Road Rat
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The only use I ever saw for a fully automatic shoulder weapon would have been for clearing a room; kick in door and spray for one side to the other......... otherwise I prefer one pull - one round. JMHO
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Dirty30Carbine
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I’ve been debating on selling a few Carbine to come up with the extra cash to get my paperwork started on buying an M2
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m1a1fan
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Nothing like a slow-mo happy switch viideo. Thanks Dave T! Take a few drawer handles out of petty cash. ;-)
Mag is wiggling around all over the place.
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