Stock Question - The Carbine Collector's Club

I think Dan's comment about the stock being steam cleaned is spot on. It would take very hot water under pressure to raise the grain such as that in the sling well.

Charles
Co B 1st Batl.115 Inf. Reg.
29th. Divi.
4.2 Heavy Mortar Co Retired
Life member NRA

Looks like an Irwin made stock to me that's maybe had a hard life.

George, what device are you using to upload the pictures? are you editing the pictures with the post box?

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tenOCEE wrote:

Not sure if the pics are small for everyone else, and non-expandable, but they are for me.

I was able to save the pic and then open with paint to get full sized pictures.

Wayne
USMC Retired
NRA Life Member

Here's a side view of the front end. Photo isn't too good - hope it shows what you wanted to see.

Glad too. Are we talking about the front end where the band goes?

I took a few more photos that may help answer your questions. The butt plate close-up shows the color and diagonal sanding. I've cleaned a few stocks aggressively in the past and it seems to fade them to near blond, which isn't the case here. You're right though, the grain is raised a little. The recoil plate is a shade darker than the butt plate - not sure if that's normal or not? On the numbering, the photo above is the best one I've got. They're very faint with the last three appearing to be "323". There's at least one added number in front, but only the very top is visible. Appreciate the comments so far.

Very interesting comments regarding rejected stocks. The sanding seems to have been done with a belt sander like in your photo, with marks about 35 degrees to the grain. The only defect I can find, other than the internal crudeness, is in the butt plate screw hole. It's not quite perpendicular as it should be. I should add that I tried installing one of my Inland carbines into the stock. It fit very well, with no lateral movement and required slight downward pressure on the end of the barrel to get it to seat into the recoil plate. Perhaps it was rejected initially, and then recovered later for use as a spare??

GeorgeG wrote:

What really sold me was the numbers in the channel.

On all of the Irwin made stocks I've seen the numbers in the channel are a green color ink stamp.

Inland stocks made by SE Overton had a similar ink stamp thought to be a Julian type dating system, but different color purple/green.

The Irwins were nearly neighbors of the Overtons, but the green number ink stamps found in Irwin stocks we believe stood for the Shift and Work Station location.

Your stock does appear to have that Coke bottle profile at the front nose but doesn't stand out as proudly as a un sanded stock. You can see your stock has been sanded pretty heavily.. note the Butt plate hang over. Early on Irwin stocks had a tight fit around the Recoil plate, like yours. Later on you'll find RSG and replacement IR stocks with more clearance back away from the plate to limit the cracking in this area, having more of a U shape.

At first I was giving thought to your stock having been sanded to much and was rejected.

That would explain why the Op slide channel and slingwell weren't finished being detailed sanded.

But doesn't explain why it would have the RSG stamped in the slingwell.

It also doesn't explain the larger diameter more aggressive router bit used to clear the stocks Op slide channel.

RSG green ink stamps (S'G')'s

If your stock was over sanded past specs and tossed, it may have been taken and years later someone stamped the RSG. I can't answer more than that. I strongly believe that stock didn't leave with the internals not finish sanded and fit to a carbine. The Irwins were furniture makers and known for their use of Dutchman patches to salvage stocks.

Belt sanding Irwin stocks:

Robert Irwin worker test fits action in stock

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Is there just the one hole for the Butt plate screw under the Plate?

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