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Smokpole 
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 Topic: MY IBM M1 CARBINEPosted: Mar 07 2022 at 8:09pm |
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I haven't missed many OGCA shows since then and I still hang out at the same table. I haven't seen him yet.
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painter777
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Posted: Mar 07 2022 at 12:32am |
Last Visit: 26 Jan, 2020 9:48 pm Wonder if he ever made it to a OGCA Show and received a knowledgeable carbine experts advice ? Looking back, a few good pictures could have gave him the answers that he wasn't here to hear. Sorry had to post after reading this again today. Ch-P777
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Connor38
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Posted: Jan 27 2020 at 8:27pm |
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Ahhhh right when I was starting to think that I’m always going to be a beginner! My suspicions seem to be confirmed!
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Smokpole
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Posted: Jan 27 2020 at 8:26pm |
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The more you learn about carbines, the more you realize there is to learn! I've collected for 30 years and am only a beginner!
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tenOCEE
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Posted: Jan 27 2020 at 8:24pm |
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They sure aren't easy. I'm lazy so learning is an every-week-something-else-is-new for me. Like most things people get to a comfort level and if you're 'winning' it's easy to just float along enjoying the ride.
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Posted: Jan 27 2020 at 8:21pm |
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why thank you and thanks for the heads up! I got into the hobby, then pulled out to do homework before popping my head back up again. When I popped back in, I realized I still have a ton to learn. Carbines are not easy... but fun!
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tenOCEE
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Posted: Jan 27 2020 at 8:14pm |
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Shhh.  sometimes people are just fishing for tips on IDing stuff so they can beat you out on an auction. Welcome over here. That was an accurate first post.
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Posted: Jan 27 2020 at 8:07pm |
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hello all, my first time posting on this forum. I’m also on CMP. Just thought I’d give my 2 cents. The rear sight looks incredibly similar to the fake one I bought from L&S supply years back when I was first bitten by the carbine bug. The one I bought was a square s sight, but the machining marks are exactly alike. Original rear sights imo are almost never that perfect.
The only original rear sights I’ve seen with staking around the pin done so close to perfect were on IP rear sights. One of them I bought from Rcycles45.
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New2brass
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Posted: Jan 27 2020 at 9:58am |
Can Confirm! So sad that all that information had to be lost. A great wealth of information is also lost when Photobucket removed years and years of pictures on various sites. |
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mikeurbas
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Posted: Jan 26 2020 at 9:48pm |
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when i finally make an ogca show, i plan to take my carbine to hopefully get it authenticated and i will look you up. thanks, mike.
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Smokpole
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Posted: Jan 26 2020 at 9:00pm |
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Mike Funny thing since I have no dog in this fight; When I saw the first picture of the rear sight, I immediately thought "Repro"! While my point count here doesn't reflect it, I've been around collecting for many years and some of these guys know me from way back and from sites no longer in existence. Painter gave you some valuable advise. Do a lot of homework. Study sights carefully. It is super easy to get hoodwinked by some of the repops these days. The reason we don't answer questions like how we spot the fakes is simple. The fakers are getting better all the time and we aren't going to publish on an open forum how we spot them. There is no sense in telling them how to improve their products. Originals are hard to find because so few are left. So treat all of them as suspect until you an be certain they are originals. Right off the top of my head, I saw at least 3 things that said repro. I didn't look any deeper. These guys have a wealth of knowledge and experience. Trust their judgement. BTW I'm usually at OGCA on Saturdays. I help at a table in the small alcove up around aisle D. Ask for Rich's table. I'll likely be somewhere around and can help out. I've been taken on several occasions, particularly when I was a beginning collector. I think most of us have.
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tenOCEE
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Posted: Jan 26 2020 at 1:59pm |
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There's a QRMC stock here that has to be Cherry. Finding it is an
issue, but will try to remember to post an image of it. It's tigered,
redish and gorgeous. There are some purple looking stocks here but
probably RSG made. They don't look like Walnut. The only BR B stocks I
have are outstanding looking Walnut ones. They made beautiful stocks.
I remember that odd import mark and it looked like MEDLEX ALEX VA or MEDLEY ALEX VA
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Posted: Mar 15 2019 at 8:41pm |
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David B from Texas had/has a RMC I felt 99.9% positive it was Cherry. It was a COM Rock-Ola.
https://www.milsurps.com/showthread.php?t=35247&page=2 A CMP member SKohler (sp?) Had/has a JL-B IIRC most all of us that commented thought was Birch (about a year or so ago). He decided it was it was Cherry. I still believe it was/is Birch Safe Weekend All, CH-P777
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Posted: Mar 15 2019 at 8:15pm |
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Thx Dan !
Before I pulled us off course.. I was going to suggest to the OP: STUDY- FLIP SIGHTS, STAKING ON THE RECEIVER DOVETAILS, SIGHT PIN STAKING.... Look over THE MILLING STYLES AND TOOLING MARKS ON FLIP SIGHTS. Learn to recognize the tooling marks that were done in the 1940's. After learning the old Milling styles then study the difference you'll see in the shape and Font of the letters. Compare sights being offered as New Reproduction to Known Originals. Your looking for parts that have knocked around for 75+ years showing the wear and patina from those years. Learn how all the types of rear sights were staked in place. Quite often late style sights have been removed and their stake/punch marks have been filled in and colored over so a earlier Flip style sight can be put back on to look more original. More to it than if the part is real or not. Do your homework and after you've compared those Features, then ask for opinions. It may be a Real Original Flip Sight, but sitting on a Receiver that shows clear signs of having once had a later Adjustable style sight on it. Look over these 2 Examples: |
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Posted: Mar 15 2019 at 7:24pm |
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Would like to see a cherry stock by them. Have seen some RMC stocks that were said to be cherry that both did and didn't look like it. Either way, they were some of the nicest looking carbines stocks I've ever seen.
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Posted: Mar 15 2019 at 6:56pm |
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JL produced stocks in Walnut, Birch, and Cherry according to "M1 Carbine A revolution in Gun Stocking"
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Posted: Mar 15 2019 at 6:28pm |
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Hang On,
I found a JL-B Birch stock here..... Also have S&C B Birch along with notes on Milton Bradley for IBM Birch. So I've started an Off Topic Mess. I know better.... too many irons in the fire. Maybe confused with the other J...... Jewell. Or just confused. Why Carbines, I Appreciate you calling out my Error (s). Now wondering if I didn't come across a TN Birch some years back ?? A Good Weekend to You, Charlie-Painter777
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Posted: Mar 15 2019 at 5:48pm |
Not going to comment or whether the OP's stock is walnut or birch, but Jamestown Longue absolutely used birch. I know because I have on in my stock hoard. |
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Posted: Mar 15 2019 at 5:14pm |
People have been overly nice. Using exclamation marks to shout that your sight isn't reproduction after you even confirmed that it's identical to the reproduction W-B sight posted isn't enough info for you? Using them to shout that someone isn't answering your questions... deldriver and I saw a bunch of the Carbines at Louisville from a former Ohio Gun Collector's collection and a bunch had reproduction rear sights and humped something or another. That display had a couple scores of Carbines.
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Posted: Mar 15 2019 at 5:09pm |
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Op's stock is what is often called American Walnut.
It is Eastern Black Walnut. Jamestown  From this Link posted by Newscotlander, I've pulled a picture of a AO-IBM in a S&C B Birch Stock. http://www.uscarbinecal30.com/forum/ibm-ao-3906262_topic2777_page1.html S&C Birch Stock, LW-B Walnut Hand Guard:   HTH, CH-P777
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