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    Posted: Jan 25 2023 at 9:17pm
Originally posted by Smokpole Smokpole wrote:

In most cases, when they replaced the rear sights they didn't bother to change the front sights. That is why so many carbines with adjustable rear sights shoot high. 

Had that issue with my "Howachester", that was the 1st carbine I tried the Ultimak on. I eventually put a new front sight on it and that corrected the issue with that.
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In most cases, when they replaced the rear sights they didn't bother to change the front sights. That is why so many carbines with adjustable rear sights shoot high. 
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Originally posted by DonFlynn DonFlynn wrote:

Originally posted by Uncle Mike Uncle Mike wrote:

Hi, maybe I had one with a short front sight. In my parts box I have several front  sights of different sizes. Like I said YMMY, hope you have better luck than me, regards, Mike

Did you have a flip sight or adjustable sight? I've got the later on my carbines  

I have the later ramp sights.
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Hi Don, I had an adjustable. I added the flashlight and a dab of paint to the front sight and it  lights up like a Christmas tree. As for antique eyes I'm a candidate, me being old enough to remember Eisenhower as President. My understanding is when they went to the adjustable sight they adjusted the front sight by cutting it down or replacing it, so I guess they could be different hights,  Regards, Mike
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Originally posted by Uncle Mike Uncle Mike wrote:

Hi, maybe I had one with a short front sight. In my parts box I have several front  sights of different sizes. Like I said YMMY, hope you have better luck than me, regards, Mike

Did you have a flip sight or adjustable sight? I've got the later on my carbines  
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Hi, maybe I had one with a short front sight. In my parts box I have several front  sights of different sizes. Like I said YMMY, hope you have better luck than me, regards, Mike
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Originally posted by David Milisock David Milisock wrote:

Originally posted by DonFlynn DonFlynn wrote:

I just double checked mine, with the Venom off I can clearly see the iron sights no problem.

Thanks good information. 

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Originally posted by DonFlynn DonFlynn wrote:

I just double checked mine, with the Venom off I can clearly see the iron sights no problem.

Thanks good information. 
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I just double checked mine, with the Venom off I can clearly see the iron sights no problem.
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Hi, I had the Ultimak mount and without a scope I could not see the front sight. This happened to me several years ago. I returned the mount. YMMV, regards, Mike
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Originally posted by DonFlynn DonFlynn wrote:

Originally posted by David Milisock David Milisock wrote:

Originally posted by Uncle Mike Uncle Mike wrote:

Originally posted by David Milisock David Milisock wrote:

The reason I have been researching these types of mounts is to modernize the sighting system and to retain the original sights as backup for my shooters. 

Hi Dave with the Utilmak mount you can no longer see the rear sight, regards, Mike

I wondered, the Fulton Amory site says you can remove the scope from the rail and still,use the military sights. BS as usual?

That's correct, without a scope or red dot in the military sights are easy to see. I was using a quick release mount on one of the red dot combo's I was using before I went with the Vortex Venom sight. The only reasons I swapped was I didn't like the cheek weld on the quick release and it won't fit the Venom 

Here's my delima, I'm hitting well with the late model military M1 Carbine sights put to 200 so it's a tough call for me to spend $1,000 for the Ultimak mount and a Holosun for 2 rifles.
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Originally posted by David Milisock David Milisock wrote:

Originally posted by Uncle Mike Uncle Mike wrote:

Originally posted by David Milisock David Milisock wrote:

The reason I have been researching these types of mounts is to modernize the sighting system and to retain the original sights as backup for my shooters. 

Hi Dave with the Utilmak mount you can no longer see the rear sight, regards, Mike

I wondered, the Fulton Amory site says you can remove the scope from the rail and still,use the military sights. BS as usual?

That's correct, without a scope or red dot in the military sights are easy to see. I was using a quick release mount on one of the red dot combo's I was using before I went with the Vortex Venom sight. The only reasons I swapped was I didn't like the cheek weld on the quick release and it won't fit the Venom 
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Originally posted by Uncle Mike Uncle Mike wrote:

Originally posted by David Milisock David Milisock wrote:

The reason I have been researching these types of mounts is to modernize the sighting system and to retain the original sights as backup for my shooters. 

Hi Dave with the Utilmak mount you can no longer see the rear sight, regards, Mike

I wondered, the Fulton Amory site says you can remove the scope from the rail and still,use the military sights. BS as usual?
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Originally posted by David Milisock David Milisock wrote:

The reason I have been researching these types of mounts is to modernize the sighting system and to retain the original sights as backup for my shooters. 

Hi Dave with the Utilmak mount you can no longer see the rear sight, regards, Mike
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I went a similar route.  Only difference is I bought 1.x and 1.5x safety glasses guessing from my reading glass perscriptions and the distances.   I found I could use either with pistol but 1.5x more easily brought both sights into focus with no effort.    With the carbine, the 1x works very well.  My  groups with the full reader safety glasses can be seen in the most recent posts under 'range results'.

In the woodshop, they are sometimes useful, but for me the lens distortion is often an issue.    The eye and brain is normally a very good judge of how square something is.    Still its nice to have the option. 

(Many ranges and events require glasses.  Presumably its for eye protection, and my thinking was well they might as well be impact resistant glasses.  However I've not seen impact requirements, so maybe just any glasses cover the concerns that generated the requirement.)

Originally posted by Sawbones Sawbones wrote:

I'm having same problem focusing carbine sights and target using my everyday bifocals.  Remedy is this:  Reading glasses for close vision ya buy at Walmart.  Buy several of differing diopters to see what works best.  Close vision Diopters will probably NOT be what you would normally use as readers and most certainly not same as your every-day bifocals.
Example:  My close vision bifocals are a +3.25 Diopter and the carbine iron sights are blurry as well as the down range target.  Likewise the far-vision lens.   Bought several pairs of cheap Wally-World reading glasses and determined the +3.00 Diopter focused the carbine sights perfectly with acceptable target definition at a hunnerd yards.  Then I returned the others for refund.  Had a +3.00 diopter lense fitted to my Knoblock monocle shooting glasses.  I doubt a fancy expensive dot sight will get you a better group than plano 10 dollar cheaters (reading glasses).  Please give it a try and get back to us.
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The reason I have been researching these types of mounts is to modernize the sighting system and to retain the original sights as backup for my shooters. 
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I'm having same problem focusing carbine sights and target using my everyday bifocals.  Remedy is this:  Reading glasses for close vision ya buy at Walmart.  Buy several of differing diopters to see what works best.  Close vision Diopters will probably NOT be what you would normally use as readers and most certainly not same as your every-day bifocals.
Example:  My close vision bifocals are a +3.25 Diopter and the carbine iron sights are blurry as well as the down range target.  Likewise the far-vision lens.   Bought several pairs of cheap Wally-World reading glasses and determined the +3.00 Diopter focused the carbine sights perfectly with acceptable target definition at a hunnerd yards.  Then I returned the others for refund.  Had a +3.00 diopter lense fitted to my Knoblock monocle shooting glasses.  I doubt a fancy expensive dot sight will get you a better group than plano 10 dollar cheaters (reading glasses).  Please give it a try and get back to us.
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I have a Blue Sky marked inland shooter carbine with the bayo mount.  The barrel is in great shape but the import marking is really deep. I have no idea if the barrel is damaged internally but the gun shoots great. I use and abuse this rifle all the time.  

I initially set it up with the Ultimak scout rail with a Trijicon RMR and found the red dot covered the entire 18 inch target at 100 yards. The sight I used was originally on my CZ75 and I think a smaller dot would have been more appropriate for a rifle setup. 

I ended up replacing the RMR with a 2.5x28 Leopold LER scout scope. The setup works really well for my aging eyes and is not heavy or bulky. It also holds zero even after bouncing around unprotected on the floor of my jeep. 

One thing I found that was interesting, the scout rail was just a bit to long. I was unable to mount it without it touching the front part of the receiver or the barrel band. When I shot the gun I found that I had a lot of flyers at 50 yards.  Without he rail mounted, using open sights, I did not have noticeable flyers.  

I ended up shortening the mount just enough to create about 1/16 inch clearance between the barrel band and also the receiver. Now I don't get the random flyers. So, ultimately the rail needed some clearance to get good consistant shot groups. 

Overall I really like the scout setup and I like the fact that it does not permanently alter the rifle. Feel free to PM with any questions. 

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I've used 1 for a couple of years now on a couple of my Carbines and like it


This is it on one of my Fulton Armory M1 Carbines with the USGI style mount. The red dot is a Vortex Venom. It's light, handy and accurate.


Same mount on a different Carbine a couple of years ago. That red dot was a tad bulky so when I got the Fulton I went with the Venom. It still worked nice but its lighter now.

You have 2 choices depending on your carbine type, USGI style or for new production Auto Ordnance/Kahr models



Other commercial models won't mount


It looks like UltiMak is offering to models, mine would be the Scout model. They look to be similar in mounting. IMO the model I have would be better of the 2 syles
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Hi, I wanted to mount a light on my Carbine and tried the Ultimak mount. I then found a shotgun mount at Brownells that was just a figure 8 clamp. I mounted a Surefire flashlight. I painted the front sight and on using the flashlight found that that front sight was very, very visible. Because of light recoil using the "tactical" button was easy to use, regards, Mike
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