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Posted: Mar 11 2017 at 10:42pm |
March 2017-A International Business Machine (I.B.M.) Serial Number 3937627
This IBM was a DCM gun originally purchased from the LetterKenny Army Depot in Chambersburg, Pa. The receipt is shown below and yes, it was sold for $20.
The oval cut stock is marked LW-B (Lumb Woodworking Co Inc. of Poughkeepsie, NY) in the sling well with the expected cartouche.
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m1a1fan
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Fantastic example of a late IBM. Great pictures of the parts especially those which are blued. Did not realize the barrel crown shape changed as manufacturing progressed. This article also pointed me to a few CCNL's about IBM's which I've missed. Very informative. Thanks!
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patrickduis
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Very nice find. Way more original than my I.B.M. .30m1
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Various Inlands, Underwoods, I.B.M.s and an NPM
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Impala12
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Nice carbine
I have an S'G'. Stock is not original, but the rest is. |
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pvc4440
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Makes me want to work on my 10-43 IBM
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ibm1jh
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REALLY cool example of a late IBM carbine. Outstanding pictures and notes. This is way better than the paper CCNLs. Thanks!
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John H
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m1a1fan
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Hopefully there are more fine examples of IBM's to come. Any maker would do but I am particularly fond of IBM's.
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New2brass
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Ah! so now we see why the forum can be better than paper! Plus you can download and print a copy. A win-win
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kar6666
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A friend of mine had one very much like that one. It has probably been 15 or more years since I last saw it. But what really impressed me was the contrast in the color of the parts and I see this shows the same contrast. It was a really a nice looking carbine. He had all ten manufactures plus a few extras but the late I.B.M. was the best looking carbine he had to me. The thing that bugged me the most was his had a adjustable rear sight and he replaced it with a flip sight. It was his only carbine that didn't have a flip sight and he thought it would look better if they all had flip sights. As hard as I tried I couldn't talk him out of it.
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m1a1fan
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Haven't run into all that many IBM's with dated barrels. Not sure why but haven't seen many original IBM's with barrels after 10-43.
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ibm1jh
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I think IBM only dated their barrels from July to December, 1943. The earliest dated barrel I have seen in 7-43, and the latest 12-43. I have seen several 9-43s and 10-43s. By January, 1944, they stopped dating them (unless someone has a later example). And then they stopped production altogether in Spring of 1944. I have always been partial to a dated barrel, though.
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John H
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m1a1fan
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Have seen them up to 10-43. So far, of the dated barrels, 10-43 seems to be the most "common". Another 10-43 just sold recently. Have yet to see an 11 or 12 of 43. Someday, hopefully. A 12-43 AO IBM, that would be a find.
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Doug Bathurst
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Great information and pics! Thanks for posting. I need to do the same with a couple of mine
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I just traded for a IBM serial number 377xxxx that has. Barrel date of 11-43 ibm barrel with the flaming bomb, I don’t know how. To post pics of it, thanks in advance.
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the single punch mark on the gas piston outer frame, looks like it was done by an field armorer or other owner through out the years, replacing the piston and/or nut. Note the 3 rectangular marks on each flat of the nut, those were the original staking marks.
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Michael
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Dave Tennent
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My original IBM has an identical single punch mark on the gas piston.
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m1a1fan
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I once read a random post that no original carbines had stake marks on the gas piston nut, but no pictures were offered. What's strange to me is those three areas are described here specifically for staking.
http://www.uscarbinecal30.com/barrels.html Why put them there if the nut wasn't supposed to be staked? What tool was used? Was it chisel like instrument, some type of punch or both? All of the original IBM's I've seen have the same type punch stake mark like Dave's and the OP's. Note to collectors. If you have an original carbine inspected, sometimes part of that process is to check the nut to see if it is loose. If it is, politely ask to have it tightened and not staked again. |
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Dave Tennent
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My 3791003 is also staked with one punch although I don't have a photo of it.
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m1a1fan
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Found a few more pics of IBM staking for reference...a 3.72 and 3.70
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Carl Bine
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Just put money down on a local 395XXXX late IBM in all original condition. Almost with all the same marked parts as the above. Incredible almost new shape (with correct patina) and very tight. Excited! Your photos (in addition to the books) helped. Thanks.
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