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imntxs564
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Posted: Nov 27 2016 at 10:57pm |
Can anyone help out with this question ? A C or D-Tab Sling that is MRT Dated '62 on the Tab or Sling is when it was Treated, Correct ? There seems to be some confusion on this description I came across. I always thought these Slings were earlier (like late WW2 & Korea) and then Treated and Marked after being used in Vietnam when sent to Surplus. There is a decscription that it says USGI D-Tab Sling made in '62 because of the Date on the Tab. I sent him a Msg and he replied this is when they were made. I'm no expert and don't collect them so I thought I get a lesson. TIA
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David Albert
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I know that previously manufactured M3 Slings for the Thompson were mildew resistant treated (MRT) in the early 1950's, prior to storage. The 1950's were a similar time for the Thompson, as were the 1960's for the M1 Carbine in terms of service.
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m1a1fan
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Have also read they were treated for storage and also possible in preparation for use in places where it was humid, like the jungles of Vietnam. Probably a convienince more than anything. Can't find it, but remember an auction where M1A1 leather was stamped MRT with a date.
To me, it wouldn't make sense to stamp MRT and the date on a sling when it was made. Since MRT is a treatment, would make sense to put a date on it when it was treated. Not sure how long the treatment lasts, but if there is an expiration date, it would be good to know when the milk expires so to speak. David, wondering if M3 slings retreated at some point or was the treatment a one shot deal? |
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David Albert
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The M3 slings for the Thompson may have been MRT'd more than once, but the date that comes to mind is 1952, well after the TSMG was replaced by the M3 Greasegun. I can look it up in one of my books when I'm home this weekend.
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imntxs564
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I'm assuming that all people who are into Carbines knows that Slings that have MRT and the Date is when it was Treated. In Riesch's Book he comments "That Vietnam War-Period Slings were dated on the Metal Tab". I think this brings confusion to some people who think that these are Brand New Slings. I always thought that's when it was Treated.
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David Albert
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I need to check the Thompson book that has more information, but I'm not sure if MRT was applied to slings that were actually in active military (issued) use. I think the process was applied to existing, back-stocked inventory that had not yet been issued. I could be wrong, but if you think about the logistics of it, it makes sense.
I also assume MRT became a built-in requirement for subsequent web equipment manufacture. I found a reference to MRT in WWII, from a book on the Quartermaster Corps, published in 1953. It stated, "Mildew-resistant treatments were also applied to all textile equipage items during the war." This is a broad statement, but indicates MRT began during WWII. I also found a more specific reference in an article on Browning Machine Gun belts by Charles Brown in Small Arms Review magazine, where he indicated the following, "After July 1944, Ordnance began treating all types of canvas goods to resist mould and mildew and post war, after January 1946, Ordnance began to require marking the treated articles “MRT” for Mildew Resistant Treatment." Anyway, it's a little more background on mildew resistant treatment (MRT). David Albert dalbert@sturmgewehr.com |
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Thanks David....That's sounds good and looks like reliable Information.
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David Albert
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In Frank Iannamico's Thompson book, "American Thunder III," he indicates that MRT was applied to slings after their manufacture. On page 264, he shows two apparently unissued M3 Slings, the first of which is an early, mustard colored example. It is stamped "MILDEW PROOFED R.I. ORD. CENTER 1945." The other M3 sling, which is the more common olive drab color, is marked, "MRT 12-52 AU." The first sling shows that the treatment was done at a center (Rock Island), and was applied to slings that were held in backstock.
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