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    Posted: May 03 2017 at 3:14pm
Originally posted by Reichpapers Reichpapers wrote:

I've heard two terms on a few occasions now concerning my carbine, yet I have no idea what they mean.  
1. What is a transitional Inland?
2. What is an American Swiss Barrel band, or rather its significance?
 
Transitional would be where the upgrade of front bands and rear sights took place. Often overlooked as "Upgraded"
 
American Swiss was a manufacture of some of the front bands. look at your front band. Is it marked PI or AS?
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Very nice, and also very nice detailed photo's.
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What should I ask for the carbine when selling?  I noticed prices are all over the place, dependent on quite a few factors I assume.  Hopefully it is worth more than I paid Cabelas. :D
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I've heard two terms on a few occasions now concerning my carbine, yet I have no idea what they mean.  
1. What is a transitional Inland?
2. What is an American Swiss Barrel band, or rather its significance?
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Originally posted by NewScotlander NewScotlander wrote:

Can you post a photo of the bottom of the barrel, from the gas cylinder to the breech? I am rereading the old CMP post and would like to take another look at that area.

A clearer picture of the top of the barrel, near the breech, where the "S" and "6" are would also be helpful.






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Okay, now it all makes sense staking wise. Thanks for posting the latest pictures-they helped clear things up. I was beginning to think a little more that the rear sight was a replacement. Nice carbine!
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Originally posted by Reichpapers Reichpapers wrote:

Do you think it is wise to remove the rear sight to get a better eye on any previous staking on the sight and base?


Originally posted by NewScotlander NewScotlander wrote:

No, but if it were mine I would move the rear sight back to it's original location by realigning the stake marks.

There were stakes on both sides, I'm blind.


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Can you post a photo of the bottom of the barrel, from the gas cylinder to the breech? I am rereading the old CMP post and would like to take another look at that area.

A clearer picture of the top of the barrel, near the breech, where the "S" and "6" are would also be helpful.
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Originally posted by Reichpapers Reichpapers wrote:

Do you think it is wise to remove the rear sight to get a better eye on any previous staking on the sight and base?


No, but if it were mine I would move the rear sight back to it's original location by realigning the stake marks.
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Originally posted by Reichpapers Reichpapers wrote:

Do you think it is wise to remove the rear sight to get a better eye on any previous staking on the sight and base?


Personally, I wouldn't take it off just to check for additional staking since there's the potential to damage the dovetail by doing so.
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Do you think it is wise to remove the rear sight to get a better eye on any previous staking on the sight and base?
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Originally posted by NewScotlander NewScotlander wrote:

IMO it appears to be an original, as manufactured carbine. There is something odd about the rear sight though.

First off, I don't see any evidence of flip sight stake marks.

Second, the milled type, adjustable rear sight is the early style, with the staking notches only at the rear, left and right sides. Later milled adjustable sights and all stamped adjustable rear sights have the staking notches on the right side, front and back.

Third, the rear sight appears to have been moved to the right about 1/16 to 3/32 inch. This may have been done because it was not originally centered on the receiver and someone lined it up later. You can see where the rectangular staking does not line up in the last two photographs.

When I took it to the range, I had to adjust the sight quite a bit to the left to hit center target.  That may have also been the sight base offset before it was centered?
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Thanks.  Just wanted to know if my assumption about barrel was correct.
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IMO it appears to be an original, as manufactured carbine. There is something odd about the rear sight though.

First off, I don't see any evidence of flip sight stake marks.

Second, the milled type, adjustable rear sight is the early style, with the staking notches only at the rear, left and right sides. Later milled adjustable sights and all stamped adjustable rear sights have the staking notches on the right side, front and back.

Third, the rear sight appears to have been moved to the right about 1/16 to 3/32 inch. This may have been done because it was not originally centered on the receiver and someone lined it up later. You can see where the rectangular staking does not line up in the last two photographs.
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Without looking I remember the thread

BQ97 states it is an Inland barrel. You can take that to the bank
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Originally posted by 1st M1 88 1st M1 88 wrote:

Is there a manufacturers name on barrel.



There is nothing on the barrel except a P mark.  I posed this question on the CMP Forums a while back and according to the resident Inland guru, the barrel looks original to the rifle.  The thread is here, and it got ugly due to one guy, still an interesting read:
 
http://forums.thecmp.org/showthread.php?t=158105.  
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Originally posted by Lupus Dei Lupus Dei wrote:

Nice example of a AS type 2 band.
I do see a mark on the outboard left rear of dovetail.
As too it being for a flip or adjustable I do not know.

Nice candidate for a data sheet submission.

How would I go about filling out a data sheet?
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