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m1a1fan
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Posted: Jun 13 2020 at 10:07am |
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2020-G Underwood Presentation E 255 Presented to William Hanson Ingle By Ted Sidehamer December 12th, 1876 - December 22nd, 1951 Photo: Courtesy of grandson, William F. Brooks
William H. Ingle World War 1 draft registration card from ancestry.com Source: Hartford Preservation Alliance Photo: HPA Parkside Historic District
CCNL 375 introduced a rare type of carbine reported by club members sporadically over its 40+ year history. The club calls these E Code carbines. The Carbine Club Newsletters: 127, 128, 271 and 375 Underwood Elliott Fisher Newsletters www.USCarbineCal30.com This article and/or its images are the property of the author. They're not to be copied without prior written permission. (Title 17, Chapter 5, Section 501(a) U.S. Code) |
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W5USMC
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Great article Ted, Thanks for sharing.
S on the right side of the rear sight base instead of left, the the leaf itself is correct?
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Wayne
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m1a1fan
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Thanks Wayne. Ding, ding, ding, we have a 5 point winner! A big thanks to "eagle eye" Dave Tennent who first brought this factory mistake to my attention resulting in a review by those with way more knowledge than me.
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Great article on a stunning carbine. Thanks.
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Dave Tennent
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Speaking of UEF rear sight base markings. I saw mention of E158 in CC Newsletter #48. It shows that the rear sight is marked .U. on the leaf only. No S at all. Great article and fantastic factory mistake.
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Dave
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Great article and terrific carbine! Thank you.
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jangle
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Fantastic article. I appreciate the research that went into this!
Thanks for posting it!
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Charles
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An exceptional article as would be expected. Thanks Ted.
Edited by Charles - Nov 14 2020 at 9:43pm |
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Charles
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m1a1fan
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@EEDT ("Eagle Eye" Dave Tennent): Great article find! Thanks. Also scouring the newsletters and web for more information.
The following links were provided by Dan (Thanks Dan ) Another link provided by Dan. Great discussion by jackp1028 and blackfish (Thanks to both ) @hunterman: Have an affinity for UW's. Probably just another carbine collecting phase. @jangle:
Have been reviewing your carbine posts with photos. Excellent photo
taking skills! I joke with Eagle Eye Dave T. that I should subcontract
picture taking to others. I've been experimenting with the Marcus Rust cardboard
background photo taking technique and it works well. It really helps
reduce shadows. I mentioned it in the article, but I can't say enough
about other
club members who helped me with this article...over a year in the
making. A lot of effort searching, writing, documenting and
editing/formatting...worth every minute of it. The whole process has
provided me with an appreciation for the research process and what the
CCC does to create content. @everyone -
Signed up for newspapers.com recently in an attempt to find the same
clippings provided to me early on in the research process. Great
site, except the search feature, and one never knows where a search
might lead. Easy to lose focus and go down the newspapers.com rabbit
hole like I did with names listed in
other events attended by Mr. Ingle. A lesson learned on staying focused
on the task at hand. Have already started the next article. First, I'll
gather the information discovered during the research process, but not
necessarily related to UW E 255 and pass it along. Some of it is a who's
who in the history of Hartford, Connecticut and one parts maker.
Members are encouraged to share their carbines. Every carbine, IMO, is a
teachable moment. All types and formats are appreciated. I think a few other members, with club assistance, have used previous Featured Carbine articles as a template to share.
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Excellent article and references. Thank you!
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Brilliant. Very interesting read.
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m1a1fan
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Thanks guys. Accidentally removed some files while not paying attention during a routine cleanup operation. Think everything has been fixed. If not, please let me know.
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Patrick_B
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What a nice article, and interesting thread. Thank you to all the contributors.
I found this after discovering that UEF #E 276 Is about to come up for auction. If there is a thread on that subject, my apologies.
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I've looked at E255 numerous times.
But just seen that The Extractor Plunger is the Early Full Cone, I'll assume 'Long Stem' Ch-P777
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m1a1fan
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Not a T1 Extractor Plunger. Just a regular ole T2 and a mistake which has been corrected. Thanks Ch-P777.
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GotSnlB28
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Seeing this great article again, and that the rifle has an unmarked barrel... happened to recall that I have an early featured Standard Products with what appears to be an original unmarked Underwood barrel based on the style and milling. Old pictures are here (with another STD PRO Marlin barrel next to it for comparison of staking and proof P).
https://imgur.com/a/5DT28bk Anyway, I just thought it interesting with respect to unmarked barrels. If not appropriate for the thread feel free to remove the post. |
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I have E230 and it also has a completely unmarked barrel. It does not even have the small “P” or any kind of proof mark. It is most likely (or definitely) an Underwood barrel based on the normal Underwood milling characteristics. Additionally, the receiver does not have the small punch mark proof forward of the sight.
So, a carbine with no evidence it was ever proofed or accepted by the military, which makes sense because it was not a rifle intended for or delivered to the military.
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m1a1fan
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The club does have record of E codes with some type of marking on the barrel as noted in CCNL 375. Think there were in the E 1XX range. Also mentioned were sporterized E codes. Would love to view one of them, the one with a name on the receiver ring or the initialed versions in person. Someday...
The ones I’ve seen in person had completely unmarked barrels with Underwood characteristics. Some with all Underwood parts and others with a few non Underwood lateral support? parts. As Dan and others have mentioned previously, UW used whatever they had lying around.
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