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    Posted: Aug 08 2019 at 2:26pm
I have an Inland carbine that has clearly been rebuilt, judging by the mixed bag of manufacturers stamps a Frankenstein of mixed parts and judging by the rear sight is now in a later configuration. Barrel
 has 2 near invisible stamps, a partial flame and an N.
 
My uncle let me shoot it when I was 12 and for the last 30 years has been mine and came directly from him so I know it is the same as it was in the 60's.
 
It has no import markings and according to family tales (read BS) he brought it back from Korea. I can't believe it was fired much since overhaul, in fact I'd bet I fired it the most in the last 55 years.
 
It's a real shooter and in great shape so being a rebuild does not bother me. I was just wondering if there was a way to tell it was rebuilt after WWII or Korea.
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rebuilds were going on during the war! Those rebuilt overseas were not to be marked.
US armory or contracted rebuilds in the states were required to be marked.
Some have been rebuilt many times. The previous rebuild mark at times gets sanded off. In refinishing sticks I sometimes see the ghost markings.

GCA 68 is where import Mark's became a requirement.  So imports pre 68 did not have to be marked.

So the question is: do all the parts finish match? Is the bolt blued?
Is the chamber in the white?
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Please share the rebuild stampings.

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Obviously I'm asking the right people, I'll grab some shots based on your questions and figure out how to upload them. Thanks you're the best.
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Gentlemen I want to thank you in advance for your work. A little explanation as I'm 64 and now semi-retired waiting a double knee replacement I have returned to my affection for my carbines. They have been sitting in a cabinet for many years actually nearly untouched for over 15 years since I worked my loads. I plan on getting fixed up and shooting quite a bit as by the time I'm through my 5 scheduled surgeries I'll be retired (except for projects) and have time to SHOOT!

I am disassembling them for a real spit an polish but didn't want to drag this post out too long. If this worked here is an over all image of the Inland



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I need to load one image at a time.
Here is the rebuild stamp I believe.
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This is I believe the proof stamp.


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Here is the receiver top, notice the extractor has been replaced and it is black

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Here is the barrel and band. Like I said the barrel has half a flame and an extremely light N on it but it cannot be photographed without a Macro lens.


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Here is the serial number and sight, #5507129

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Here is the last one the trigger and mag release.

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Augusta Arsenal, unknown rebuilder for the "M" suffix. The "P" is a proof mark.

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Thanks. Surely after WWII but could it be post Korea?
It certainly was done well because once she's cleaned up and fed proper ammo she works perfectly. The only trouble I ever had in very cold conditions with military surplus ammo that clocked 1800 FPS in the summer.
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David, if only these carbines could talk, we could know so much more. But, we are left with only a few stamps to from which to glean information.

There were reports from our soldiers in Korea of problems experienced with their carbines during very cold weather conditions. 
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Donnie do I wish they could talk!
I was hoping to be able to verify the rebuild time of this carbine because it came from my uncle. He served as a Marine in WWII from 42 to 46 when he left Japan. He then reenlisted in the Army in 49 and served 3 years in Korea from 50 and mustered out in 54. I know this because I saw his papers and he told me.
 
I was told by others the he brought the carbine back from Korea but as it's family history I was hoping to be able to add weight to that statement. He has been gone many years but he deserves and honest account of his deeds.
 
I was not in Korea and cannot attest to the situation, however I did purchase some Korean era 30 carbine military ammo. This was 25 years ago, I ran it through my chronograph during a Pennsylvania summer, 1800 FPS average, none exceeded 1900 some was under 1800 FPS.  This was lousy ammo but in honesty it was over 40 years old and that test does not reflect 1950. This ammo failed in both my carbines in cold weather.
 
I had a friend who needed some PDW's for a cold weather environment and he already owned several M1A1's and he heard the Korean stories and was concerned about the cold. So I suggested to avoid the cost of new firearms that we solve the cold weather issue, which we did. Hodgen LilGun and small rifle magnum primers along with some changes to handling and maintenance procedures worked well. All his rifles tested in the actual environment to 30 below F with no failures. At that time reliable cold weather 30 carbine ammo was not available like it is today. I bought some privy partisan that's not quite as good as my stuff but clocks over 2000 FPS even when very cold and does not fail to cycle the rifles.
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My guess is that it's a post Korean War rebuild. I don't have exact data to back this up, but I know that many military firearms that were rebuilt during that period had a "P" applied to the pistol grip.

Your results may vary, and I'm certainly interested in any other opinions on the subject.

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Thanks for the reply. I just remember shooting it in the 60's and at that time it had some white paint marks on the stock that were gone when I got it in the late 70's. When I got it the rifle looked as if it was used to kill every dust bunny in the State. I cleaner her up, shot some olds I believe LC surplus and then worked some loads in the 80's. I oiled her up for storage maybe 15 years ago and in retirement I'm shooting up all the ammo I've inventoried over the years. :-) 
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