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New2brass ![]() Moderator Group ![]() ![]() Dan Pinto, Photo Editor Joined: Nov 29 2015 Location: CT Status: Offline Points: 4415 |
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Research Assistance Saginaw Receivers We are researching changes in receiver features in an attempt to identify when these changes took place. This also helps to reconstruct some of the shuffling around between the two factories. Much of this information has not been previously requested or reported due to the size limitations of a datasheet. Your assistance with this research would be very much appreciated. The answers to the questions that follow and/or pictures can be posted here. Alternatively, the information and pictures can be e-mailed to the following Club e-mail address. ![]() You can also submit a full datasheet. A datasheet can be downloaded and printed HERE Please note: if you have previously submitted a datasheet in these serial ranges, we ask that carefully review the information that we are looking for. We will then update the datasheet on file with any new or missing information. For your convenience: at the bottom of this post is something to help you submit your answers. Simply copy and paste that information into your e-mail or forum post to respond and fill in the information as you read through the questions. Question #1: What is the full serial number? (If you must provide a partial please use two lower case x's for the last two digits. Example: 3250020 would be 32500xx.) Question #2: Above the serial number are the letters S and G. What are the characters following each letter if any? S.G. S'G' or simply SG ![]() Question #3: Which of the following markings are on the receiver ring? CAL. .30 Ml (period after CAL and another preceding 30, Ml font is Sans Serif) ![]() CAL. 30 M1 (Sans Serif Ml) (period after CAL, no period preceding 30, Ml font is Sans Serif, period following Ml) ![]() CAL. 30 M1 (Serif M1) (period after CAL, no period preceding 30, M1 font is Serif) ![]() Other? (please send photo if other) Question #3A: Is the number 3 Flat or Rounded top? Question #4: Rear Tang: is it Wide (left) or Narrow (right) ![]() Question #5: At the rear of the left side of the receiver there may be a feature unique to Saginaw we refer to as an "ear" (left & center below). Does your receiver have a rounded ear (left), squared ear (center), or no ear (right)? ![]() Question #6: There may or may not be letters and/or numbers on the left side of the receiver. If present what are they and where? Examples include SI or SG. The SG can be 3/16ths (larger) or 2/16ths (small). There may or may not be an additional letter and/or number near the middle of the left side. Please indicate all that are present ![]() Question #7: If there any markings on the front of the bottom of the receiver, what are they and where? If present they are usually on or around the trigger housing lug. Examples below are T (left) and G (right) ![]() Question #8: What is the name of the barrel manufacturer and the date, if present? Question #9: Is the rear slide cut was machined in different ways. Is the end of the cut Round or Square? ![]() THANK YOU! ====================================================================== Answers (copy and paste into your e-mail or forum post before you read the questions. Fill the answers in as you go.) Question 1: Serial number - Question 2: Initials above serial number - Question 3: Front ring details (use a capitol i for sanserif one) - Question 4: Rear tang - Question 5: Rear left receiver detail - Question 6: Front and middle left detail - Question 7: Receiver bottom detail - Question 8: Barrel manufacturer and date - Question 9: Rear slide cut detail - Please also see this post for requests of Saginaw numbers in the slingwell: Edited by New2brass - Feb 26 2023 at 10:33am |
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tenOCEE ![]() Hard Corps ![]() ![]() Knows rear sights! Joined: Jan 01 2016 Location: East Tenn Status: Offline Points: 1330 |
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I'm specifically interested to see reports of others in the 3.6 range (or nearby range) with rounded ear like the one I posted on Milsurps.
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My sig: Seen an IP or S'G'? Add it to my registry. We'll check consecutives.
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Question 1: Serial number- 3331435 Question 2: Initials above serial number- SG Question 3: Front ring details- CAL. 30 Ml.
(period after CAL, no period preceding 30, Ml font is Sans Serif, period
following Ml) Question 4: Rear tang- WIDE Question 5: Rear left receiver detail- NO EAR Question 6: Front and middle left detail- SG (1/8" high letters) Question 7: Receiver bottom detail- NONE Question 8: Barrel manufacturer and date- IBM Question 1: Serial number- 3609975 Question 2: Initials above serial number- S’G’ Question 3: Front ring details- CAL. .30 Ml (period after
CAL and another preceding 30, Ml font is Sans Serif) Question 4: Rear tang- NARROW Question 5: Rear left receiver detail- SQUARE EAR Question 6: Front and middle left detail- Y Question 7: Receiver bottom detail- NONE Question 8: Barrel manufacturer and date- INLAND 10-43 Question 1: Serial number- 3649600 Question 2: Initials above serial number- S’G’ Question 3: Front ring details- CAL. .30 Ml (period after CAL and another
preceding 30, Ml font is Sans Serif) Question 4: Rear tang- NARROW Question 5: Rear left receiver detail- SQUARE EAR Question 6: Front and middle left detail- B Question 7: Receiver bottom detail- NONE Edited by W5USMC - Jun 04 2020 at 11:19pm |
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floydthecat ![]() Hard Corps ![]() Joined: Oct 13 2016 Location: Mississippi Status: Offline Points: 1902 |
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#1. 3305925 #2. S G #3. U.S. CARBINE CAL. 30 M1 #4. Wide #5. No Ear #6. No Letters #7. "B" on base of front housing lug #8. SAGINAW S.G. DIV. GENERAL MOTORS Undated Long Skirt edit: Sorry for my confusion, old age, failing memory and poor eyesight. #2 is corrected to read "S G" and not "S.G."
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blackfish ![]() On Point ![]() ![]() Joined: Mar 30 2016 Location: 999-0 Status: Offline Points: 288 |
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Wow, my favorite block!
SN 5834657 This came into my possession as one of the boltless carbines issued by the CMP. I'm afraid I'm not near enough to it at this point in my life to provide much detail right now (but I will return to this thread by July 4 to provide additional input. It's my M2 shooter and I can foresee a much needed break in routine about then). It does have an undated Winchester barrel with associated Winchester proof (WP) in addition to what I believe is Saginaw's own proof P based upon both appearance and measurement. When I first got it, I thought replacement, but I'm not so sure anymore. Only other detail immediately available from my notes on this purchase and relevent to this query right now is that the receiver is "wide tang" Check back in a month! |
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sling00 ![]() Hard Corps ![]() Joined: Apr 21 2016 Location: Tennessee Status: Offline Points: 921 |
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Question 1: Serial number: 3643791
Question 2: Initials above serial number: S’G’ Question 3: Front ring details: CAL. .30 Ml Question 4: Rear tang: Narrow Question 5: Rear left receiver detail: Squared ear Question 6: Front and middle left detail: I mid-ways Question 7: Receiver bottom detail: None Question 8: Barrel manufacturer and date: INLAND MFG. DIV. over GENERAL MOTORS, 11-43 --- Question 1: Serial number: 3363827 Question 2: Initials above serial number: SG Question 3: Front ring details: CAL. 30 M1 Question 4: Rear tang: Wide Question 5: Rear left receiver detail: No ear Question 6: Front and middle left detail: SG at front Question 7: Receiver bottom detail: Illegible mark. Question 8: Barrel manufacturer and date: SAGINAW SG DIV over GENERAL MOTORS, no date --- Question 1: Serial number: 1819689 Question 2: Initials above serial number: S’G’ Question 3: Front ring details: CAL. .30 Ml Question 4: Rear tang: Narrow Question 5: Rear left receiver detail: Rounded - undrilled (see pic below) Question 6: Front and middle left detail: P ~1/3 back from chamber Question 7: Receiver bottom detail: None Question 8: Barrel manufacturer and date: UNDERWOOD 8-43 ![]() |
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painter777 ![]() Hard Corps ![]() ![]() Joined: Feb 18 2016 Location: Central MI Status: Offline Points: 1629 |
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Can I share this request for help to those who may not be members here.....
Over on Milsurps ? Assuming we could just post the info there? and transfer it here for members there that don't frequent here. (that make any sense?) And are we to stay between the posted serial ranges... 3,249,020 thru 3,651,519 5,834,619 thru 6,071,188 ??? Thx, Charlie-P777
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Question 1: Serial number - 3363532
Question 2: Initials above serial number - SAGINAW SG Question 3: Front ring details (use a capitol i for sanserif one) - U.S. CARBINE CAL . 30 M1 (Serif) Question 4: Rear tang - Wide Question 5: Rear left receiver detail - No ear Question 6: Front and middle left detail - SG (close to barrel) Question 7: Receiver bottom detail - J on trigger housing lug Question 8: Barrel manufacturer and date - SAGINAW S.G. GENERAL MOTORS ( No date) |
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New2brass ![]() Moderator Group ![]() ![]() Dan Pinto, Photo Editor Joined: Nov 29 2015 Location: CT Status: Offline Points: 4415 |
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@TenOCEE the findings will be shared I found your post on Milsurps. If you could fill in the missing information of front ring markings, bottom markings and narrow down the serial numbers it would be appreciated.
@ Painter, We are trying to stay in the specified range as we know the numbers have the mixed markings. If you feel this same will assist in the lower ranges that can also be submitted. Better to look at info then look for it! So please do share with everyone and anyone. Hopefully this will also roll into a good reporting for a manufactures update as it has been too long! Rather than reposting you can send to the email address in the bottom of this post. This way you can ease concerns of those not whishing to have the complete serial number publicly posted. Only Sleepless and myself will have the access for this project. Full data sheets will go to Bob. Thank you to everyone that has submitted info ![]() ![]() |
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tenOCEE ![]() Hard Corps ![]() ![]() Knows rear sights! Joined: Jan 01 2016 Location: East Tenn Status: Offline Points: 1330 |
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I can track down about 5 of them pretty quickly. Others will take a little bit longer.
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My sig: Seen an IP or S'G'? Add it to my registry. We'll check consecutives.
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painter777 ![]() Hard Corps ![]() ![]() Joined: Feb 18 2016 Location: Central MI Status: Offline Points: 1629 |
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I'll start a new topic on Milsurps Monday.
Will pretty much copy and paste the information from this opening topic. The pictures will help show everyone what we're trying to compare. CH-P777
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tenOCEE ![]() Hard Corps ![]() ![]() Knows rear sights! Joined: Jan 01 2016 Location: East Tenn Status: Offline Points: 1330 |
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1) You'll want to ask if it's a large SG or small SG on side of the receiver. 2) Also, SG receivers seem to read MI. with a dot after the I 3) Some SAG barrels are SAGINAW S G and some are SAGINAW S . G . Question 1: Serial number -32476XX Question 2: Initials above serial number - S'G' Question 3: Front ring details - CAL. .30 MI Question 4: Rear tang - Narrow Question 5: Rear left receiver detail - rounded ear Question 6: Front and middle left detail - C Question 7: Receiver bottom detail - none Question 8: Barrel manufacturer and date - no bblQuestion 1: Serial number -32566XX Question 2: Initials above serial number - SG Question 3: Front ring details - CAL. .30 MI Question 4: Rear tang - Narrow (yes, narrow) Question 5: Rear left receiver detail - No tooling hole Question 6: Front and middle left detail - none Question 7: Receiver bottom detail - N Question 8: Barrel manufacturer and date - Saginaw S GQuestion 1: Serial number -32624XX Question 2: Initials above serial number - SG Question 3: Front ring details- CAL. .30 MI Question 4: Rear tang - Narrow Question 5: Rear left receiver detail - No tooling hole Question 6: Front and middle left detail - none Question 7: Receiver bottom detail - G Question 8: Barrel manufacturer and date - SAGINAWQuestion 1: Serial number -3336122 Question 2: Initials above serial number - SG Question 3: Front ring details - CAL. 30MI. Question 4: Rear tang - Wide Question 5: Rear left receiver detail - no tooling hole Question 6: Front and middle left detail - small SG Question 7: Receiver bottom detail - K Question 8: Barrel manufacturer and date - SAGINAWQuestion 1: Serial number -33908XX Question 2: Initials above serial number - SG Question 3: Front ring details - CAL. 30MI. (I dot) Question 4: Rear tang - Wide Question 5: Rear left receiver detail - no tooling hole Question 6: Front and middle left detail - LARGE SG Question 7: Receiver bottom detail - U with a D shaped bottom Question 8: Barrel manufacturer and date - SAGINAW S.G.Question 2: Initials above serial number - S.G. Question 3: Front ring details - CAL.30MI. (I dot) Question 4: Rear tang - Wide Question 5: Rear left receiver detail - no tooling hole Question 6: Front and middle left detail - small SG Question 7: Receiver bottom detail - none Question 8: Barrel manufacturer and date - SAGINAW S.G.Question 1: Serial number -34950XX Question 2: Initials above serial number - S.G. Question 3: Front ring details - CAL.30MI. (I dot) Question 4: Rear tang - Wide Question 5: Rear left receiver detail - No tooling hole Question 6: Front and middle left detail - small SG Question 7: Receiver bottom detail - there's a / but unsure if intentional Question 8: Barrel manufacturer and date - SAGINAW S.G. Question 1: Serial number -35429XX Question 2: Initials above serial number - S'G' Question 3: Front ring details - CAL. .30MI Question 4: Rear tang - Narrow Question 5: Rear left receiver detail - Squared hole Question 6: Front and middle left detail - J doubled Question 7: Receiver bottom detail - none Question 8: Barrel manufacturer and date - SAGINAW S GQuestion 1: Serial number -35515XX Question 2: Initials above serial number - S'G' Question 3: Front ring details - CAL. .30MI Question 4: Rear tang - Narrow Question 5: Rear left receiver detail - squared hole Question 6: Front and middle left detail - K Question 7: Receiver bottom detail - none Question 8: Barrel manufacturer and date - SAGINAW S.G.Question 1: Serial number -35576XX Question 2: Initials above serial number - S'G' Question 3: Front ring details - CAL. .30 MI Question 4: Rear tang - Narrow Question 5: Rear left receiver detail - squared hole Question 6: Front and middle left detail - B Question 7: Receiver bottom detail - none Question 8: Barrel manufacturer and date - no bbl Question 1: Serial number -35898XX Question 2: Initials above serial number - S'G' Question 3: Front ring details - CAL. .30MI Question 4: Rear tang - Narrow Question 5: Rear left receiver detail - Squared hole Question 6: Front and middle left detail - S in middle for an inspector Question 7: Receiver bottom detail - none Question 8: Barrel manufacturer and date - U bbl 1-44Question 1: Serial number -36079XX Question 2: Initials above serial number - S'G' Question 3: Front ring details - CAL. .30MI Question 4: Rear tang - Narrow Question 5: Rear left receiver detail - Squared hole Question 6: Front and middle left detail - Y Question 7: Receiver bottom detail - none Question 8: Barrel manufacturer and date - U bbl 2-44Question 1: Serial number -36145XX Question 2: Initials above serial number - S'G' Question 3: Front ring details - CAL. .30MI Question 4: Rear tang - Narrow Question 5: Rear left receiver detail - Squared hole Question 6: Front and middle left detail - none Question 7: Receiver bottom detail - B Question 8: Barrel manufacturer and date - U bbl 11-43Question 1: Serial number -36301XX Question 2: Initials above serial number - S'G' Question 3: Front ring details - CAL. .30MI Question 4: Rear tang - Narrow Question 5: Rear left receiver detail - squared hole Question 6: Front and middle left detail - N Question 7: Receiver bottom detail - none Question 8: Barrel manufacturer and date - no bblQuestion 1: Serial number -36343XX Question 2: Initials above serial number - S'G' Question 3: Front ring details - CAL. .30MI Question 4: Rear tang - Narrow Question 5: Rear left receiver detail - squared hole Question 6: Front and middle left detail - N Question 7: Receiver bottom detail - none Question 8: Barrel manufacturer and date - UND 11-43Question 1: Serial number -36389XX Question 2: Initials above serial number - S'G' Question 3: Front ring details - CAL. .30MI Question 4: Rear tang - Narrow Question 5: Rear left receiver detail - Squared hole Question 6: Front and middle left detail - N Question 7: Receiver bottom detail - Unknown--sold it. Question 8: Barrel manufacturer and date - IN 8-43Question 1: Serial number -3639493 Question 2: Initials above serial number - S'G' Question 3: Front ring details - CAL. 30M1 (SERIF) Question 4: Rear tang - WIDE Question 5: Rear left receiver detail - No tooling hole Question 6: Front and middle left detail - none Question 7: Receiver bottom detail - none Question 8: Barrel manufacturer and date - no bblQuestion 1: Serial number -36394XX Question 2: Initials above serial number - S'G' Question 3: Front ring details (Not mine, but got report of some info - consecutive to above) Question 4: Rear tang - WIDE Question 5: Rear left receiver detail - No tooling hole Question 6: Front and middle left detail - (unknown) Question 7: Receiver bottom detail - (Unknown). Question 8: Barrel manufacturer and date - Saginaw bblQuestion 1: Serial number -36509XX Question 2: Initials above serial number - S'G' Question 3: Front ring details - CAL. . 30MI Question 4: Rear tang - Narrow Question 5: Rear left receiver detail - rounded hole - IP receiver used by S'G' Question 6: Front and middle left detail - Sort of a D, open on one end Question 7: Receiver bottom detail - none Question 8: Barrel manufacturer and date - no bblEdited by tenOCEE - Jun 04 2020 at 11:44am |
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My sig: Seen an IP or S'G'? Add it to my registry. We'll check consecutives.
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Charles ![]() Grunt ![]() ![]() Joined: Mar 21 2016 Location: Maryland Status: Offline Points: 585 |
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Dan, My data sheet, prepared by Dave Tenant is available for your project, you have only to look up my post ( The Gift). Serial # 3549164. It falls somewhere in the middle of that first block. I thought it had been submitter but apparently not. I hope it is helpful to your project. Best regards, Charlie
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Question 1 5866260
Question 2 S.G. Question 3 Cal. 30 M1. Question 4 Wide Question 5 No ear Question 6 None Question 7 K Question 8 Saginaw S.G. Div General Motors
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New2brass ![]() Moderator Group ![]() ![]() Dan Pinto, Photo Editor Joined: Nov 29 2015 Location: CT Status: Offline Points: 4415 |
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@ Charles, Yes we got your data sheet. What is not clear is if there are any side or bottom markings
Questions 6 and 7. This is one of those things missing on many data sheets and we are unsure how many are void of markings which is easy to miss when not specifically looking for them. We are getting off to a good start. For anyone looking for a project we could use a few people data mining Gun Broker for what information there is. If interested let me know or post here so there is not a duplication of efforts. |
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1. 3324487
2. SG 3. CAL. 30 MI. 4. Wide 5. No ear 6. SG (1/8") 7. On lug, letter U 8. SAGINAW S.G. DIV. GENERAL MOTORS--No Date Edited by jangle - Jun 05 2020 at 9:50am |
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Question 1: Serial number -3450661
Question 2: Initials above serial number - SG Question 3: Front ring details CAL. 30 MI. Question 4: Rear tang - WIDE Question 5: Rear left receiver detail - No tooling hole Question 6: Front and middle left detail - left front SG Question 7: Receiver bottom detail - no marks
Question 8: Barrel manufacturer and date - First line, Saginaw S.G. DIV. Second line, GENERAL MOTORS, No date |
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1989LX ![]() On Point ![]() ![]() Joined: Jul 23 2019 Location: Gwinnett Co. GA Status: Offline Points: 122 |
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I'll add mine:
1. 3627823 2. S'G'
3. CAL. 30 MI 4. Narrow 5. Squared ear 6. N 7. none 8. INLAND MFG. DIV. \ GENERAL MOTORS \ 11-43 Edited by 1989LX - Jun 08 2020 at 5:58pm |
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Here is one. 1. 3647924 2. SAGINAW S'G' 3. CAL. .30 MI 4. Narrow 5. Squared ear. 6. H middle 7. None 8. Underwood 11-43 |
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Question 1: Serial number - 3646545 Question 2: Initials above serial number - S'G' Question 3: Front ring details (use a capitol i for sanserif one) - CAL. .30 Ml Question 4: Rear tang - Narrow Question 5: Rear left receiver detail - squared ear Question 6: Front and middle left detail - N towards middle Question 7: Receiver bottom detail - None visalbe Question 8: Barrel manufacturer and date - N/A stripped receiver |
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