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richg072 
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 Topic: Black colored stocksPosted: Sep 23 2017 at 1:02pm |
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I have what I believe to be an replacement stock that is very dark in color, black in color . Trying to research why some stocks turn this dark? Also I saw a couple listed forsale and sellers stated that the dark color will clean up nice. I was thinking that's wasn't a good idea to clean it? One issue I have is it doesn't have an handguard and I'm figuring it's going to be impossible to find one that dark.
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Posted: Sep 23 2017 at 3:03pm |
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A lot of the Korean return stocks are dark brown if not out and out black. Trying to remove the dark finish can be very aggravating to one degree or another. I don't know if that was the issue you were talking about though.
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Posted: Sep 23 2017 at 3:20pm |
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Linseed oil blackens in sunlight
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richg072
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Posted: Sep 23 2017 at 3:39pm |
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Is it something that collectors leave in place or try to remove?
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David Albert
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Posted: Sep 23 2017 at 7:43pm |
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If it's really bad, you can leave the stock outside on a hot summer day, and wipe off much of the oil that has darkened the stock. I've done this before. I've also heard of people using oven cleaner spray to almost completely remove the oil from the stock, but I have never tried it, and would want to research further before attempting.
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Posted: Sep 23 2017 at 9:30pm |
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[QUOTE=David Albert]If it's really bad, you can leave the stock outside on a hot summer day, and wipe off much of the oil that has darkened the stock. I've done this before. I've also heard of people using oven cleaner spray to almost completely remove the oil from the stock, but I have never tried it, and would want to research further before attempting.
David Albert dalbert@sturmgewehr.com[/QUOTE] The research is right up there with putting your stock in a dishwasher. It will ruin your stock. will draw out too much oil, the wood swells . you can sand and oil but never the same. Would be interesting to see first hand on a worthless stock though. Re Linseed oil turning black. First I have heard. All war time production stocks were done with RLO. Was the only approved oil for the field. I would think we have seen more black stocks. Now I have seen dirty grimed stocks, but RLO will emulsify old oil and remove the dirt. Wood exposed to water high in minerals or salt water will turn the wood black. Think we need pics!
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richg072
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Posted: Sep 23 2017 at 10:34pm |
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Posted: Sep 23 2017 at 10:41pm |
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This is the Only pic that I could make small enough to fit the max size
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Posted: Sep 23 2017 at 11:24pm |
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If you have a pc then there is a tutorial in first section on resizing.
If not you can email them to me and i will resize. My user name at aol dot com Is that a potbelly ? Looks like maybe a IR or RSG, |
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David Albert
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If you're using a MAC, you can also download a free program such as "iResize" that will resize photos for you.
I have heard that the oven cleaner method can be used with different timings and results, but it is pretty drastic. It's not like putting a stock in a dishwasher. That would be a disaster. I would not want to use the oven cleaner method on a valuable stock. Again, I have not tried it myself, but have read about it several times in regards to refinishing Thompson wood. The hot sun method can work wonders. You'd be surprised how much oil comes out of a stock when it's laid out on a backyard patio in 100 degree Texas heat. You can just wipe it off with a rag. David Albert dalbert@sturmgewehr.com |
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Posted: Sep 24 2017 at 8:40am |
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I had good luck steaming an old grimy SH-B stock. Old oil and grim dripped out of it and the smaller dings just about disappeared. Still retained nice original dark brown color, reoiled and looks good on an old carbine. I've been their look!!!
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Posted: Sep 24 2017 at 10:18am |
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It's an RSG highwood. No visible cartouche unless it's buried under the dark finish, but I'm pretty sure there's none. It has repairs to the highwood which are solid but it needs some repair work in recoil plate area if I'm going to use it for a shooter. Someone mentioned to me that there's a member on here that's very good repairing m1 carbine stocks?
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Posted: Sep 24 2017 at 12:31pm |
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The latest repairs I recall being discussed were the Topic: M1A1 Stock Cracks back in March of this year. http://www.uscarbinecal30.com/forum/m1a1-stock-cracks_topic2789_page1.html?KW=stock+repair
There is reference to a gentleman who does repairs and did one for the subject stock in this post. See if this post has what you're looking for. Good luck.
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Posted: Sep 24 2017 at 5:16pm |
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This guy does good work!
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Posted: Sep 24 2017 at 11:38pm |
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Black Walnut is very high in Tannic Acid, especially the husks, (all poisonous to other plants). Shucked husks have long been boiled and used as a wood and leather stain for hundreds of years. Black Walnut contains the mordant required to make it colorfast and again has long been used as an additive to other dyes and stains. Shuck some husks bare handed and you'll see what I mean.The high level of Tannic Acid in Black Walnut if left untouched (never cleaned, sealed.. etc) will continue to darken from brown to a black as time goes on.
Having been a Pro wood finisher for nearly 40yrs we'd often come across a run of Black Walnut much darker than other pieces in say a new 'Stair System'. Or maybe a few stair treads that had black foot steps on them from wet muddy boots before a seal coat was applied. We'd use a 2 part painters wood bleach on the darkest areas so they'd blend evenly in color with the rest when finishes were applied. I've used this same method on stocks that you couldn't believe you could find any blacker version of. This 2 part wood bleach acts like Hydrogen Peroxide on Steroids. After applying, the wood needs to be neutralized (depending on the brand of 2 part bleach) Normally a light rinse or wipe of white vinegar will do. It will lighten the whole stock, leaving a uniform natural color. Nearly like you had just split it. Sometimes a 2nd treatment is required, depending on your expectations. I've found beautiful boxed RMC, UEF over GHD and WRA/GHD with CC stamps (among others) on wood I'd have bet my house on that were no longer marked. It also works very well at pulling old oil and painted rack numbers. More benefits to using this than paint and varnish strippers as the 2 part wood bleach works better without the grain lifting. In short....... Don't rule markings out just because you can't see them through the black. No damage to wood fibers as these products are made for this type of use.It also works well at pulling black streaks and rust staining from around rough rusty buttplates. Just trying to help....... Got no reason to lie about it. HTH, Charlie-Painter777
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Posted: Sep 25 2017 at 7:57am |
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Charlie, thanks for the information. Always fascinating to hear from a carbine stock expert. They are a few here and other places and I've always appreciated hearing from them, especially the details.
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Posted: Sep 25 2017 at 1:02pm |
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Charlie the 2 part bleach is what I'm seeing as (solution a bottle)(solution b bottle) ? Also I'm guessing it removes all the linseed oil? Thanks for sharing
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Posted: Sep 25 2017 at 1:23pm |
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Rich, the reason I knew it was a RSG or IR (same manufacturer) was due to the recoil plate gap.
There is a newsletter on recoil lockup and accuracy. I am unsure if the gap is a factor. Is the stock truely black or just a dark brown? Charlie will have to comment on bleach and oil. I would think it may have to be removed to a degree. Rubbing alcohol would make quick work of that. But you may want to try what i suggested of using RLO to emulsify and remove crud. Apply, let sit a few minutes and then gently rub with soft lint free rag. To be a little more agressive try cut up denim jeans or the stretch part of an old sock. Keep flipping and folding rages it gets dirty. |
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Posted: Sep 25 2017 at 1:28pm |
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New2brass. Ugh yeah it drives me crazy lol. Not sure if u can tell from this picture but it also sits way down also due to missing wood. That's what I'd like to get fixed actually
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Posted: Sep 25 2017 at 1:30pm |
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Yes,the bottom should be fixed.
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