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Thanks for all the info guys. For what it's worth the receiver is an S'G' with no rear sight staking. 355xxxx
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I wonder if it is possible that it is a 1903A3 barrel converted to a carbine barrel? Regardless, I have to stop staring at these pictures for awhile as I am starting to see things.
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saganaw has sparse markings on the flat.
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I'm not ready to give up yet. How far is the proof mark from the muzzle? With a Type 1 barrel band I would expect the proof mark on an original barrel to be more than 4" from the muzzle. If less it may be a replacement. It very well could be the original Saginaw barrel. Saginaw barrels had fewer marks on the flat than the typical Inland, but at least a couple like this barrel. From the picture of the receiver it looks like the carbine maybe has been polished and possibly refinished. If so, the original markings could have been polished off. What is the condition of the rest of the carbine?

Good point Wayne. How many lands and grooves? An '03 reline might only have two instead of four.

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03 could also have 6
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I will try and gather more intel when I get back to house and share more pics. Yes someone polished or refinished. The odd thing is below stock line receiver appears not polished, just dark dull original park. The band is T1 2 weld scars. It's SAMCO import marked but suspecting not from the 2012 batch but who knows. Stock is Inland potbelly HI with lots of character and only see T1 band marks, TH is IBM, hammer is rock, sear is RIA, trigger is Win, flat QHMC bolt with SG internals, front sight N, rear sight T3, slide is another piece sparse of marks. What I can remember at moment.
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I suspect it is the original Saginaw barrel.
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Any idea who made the slide?..see pic post early for inside well of slide...what tool milled that thing out? 
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Thank you Jack; the overall look/patina did give me the impression barrel was original to receiver but I was leaning towards rock or buffalo when I found what appeared to be an A in approx  location where rock or buffalo A would be and swaged gas cylinder but with barrel being smooth I was leaning towards rock. Then there was discovery of the S. Always learning and that's what makes this such a fun hobby. Really appreciate everyone's help with this.
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Originally posted by ncin1911 ncin1911 wrote:

Any idea who made the slide?..see pic post early for inside well of slide...what tool milled that thing out?


If you look carefully at all thw swirls inside the box, it's not too hard to see the S'G' stamped there indicating that your slide was made at Grand Rapids
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Yep @blackfish found it but tenOCEE beat me.
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So I feel like my new to me Saginaw S'G' parts marking mysterious are solved and I have increased my carbine knowledge another step from the great forum interaction. Thanks again everyone.
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Aside, browsing your pictures it looks like there may be a chip out of the left bolt locking lug shoulder on the receiver. Also may want the check the rail for a burr.
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I don't see a chip missing at left lug locking shoulder, when comparing to other recievers I have on complete guns. The top of the shoulder where the left lug comes to rest out of battery I guess its called is a bit shiny from lack of finish which does show up in pictures pretty prominetaly. I will deffinately being going over it for burrs etc. Thanks for looking out @GotSnlB28.
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SAMCO bankruptcy filing.
https://app.courtdrive.com/filings/flsbke_690531-1-15-bk-31296-samco-global-arms-inc

SAMCO bankruptcy auction pictures and information.
http://www.stamplerauctions.com/auction/280410/samco-global-arms-firearms/

Old CMP thread link during the sales of 2012 batch from SAMCO.
http://forums.thecmp.org/showthread.php?t=88687

Makes me wonder if it was in one of the piles in there. Noticed from other pictures they also had some various shop equipment and could have been the source of buffing. Also may have been one sold by SAMCO in 2012 or previously. If anyone has examples of SAMCO imported carbines in there collection would love to see them; maybe a SAMCO MIA FL thread is in order?

Note: I did purchase the SAMCO imported S'G' from a FL resident, after discovering it in an Arms classified ad on the net last week.





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Originally posted by ncin1911 ncin1911 wrote:

I don't see a chip missing at left lug locking shoulder, when comparing to other recievers I have on complete guns. The top of the shoulder where the left lug comes to rest out of battery I guess its called is a bit shiny from lack of finish which does show up in pictures pretty prominetaly. I will deffinately being going over it for burrs etc. Thanks for looking out @GotSnlB28.


Ok, hopefully that dark triange with sharp edges is just something in the picture... but the edges are sharp enough that it had me concerned. To illustrate, here is what I saw and the same spot on a rifle I had handy.
https://imgur.com/a/nzSCvbY
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