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Bubba-7 
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35 Whelen
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Posted: Nov 17 2020 at 7:23pm |
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Why what?
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Patrick_B
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Posted: Nov 17 2020 at 7:24pm |
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I don’t know what to say, except really!??? I’ve been out of the loop a while, but am I really this out of touch to say the only unusual thing I see is the price? I don’t see anything here to entice 6500 from my pocket. If I’m missing something, please enlighten me.
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Bubba-7
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Posted: Nov 17 2020 at 7:39pm |
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I am sorry. Why it is a very unusual carbine was obvious to me, so I thought it would be obvious to others. My mistake. Even "Big Bubba", in Indiana, was able to tell me the unusual thing about this carbine.
Happy Collecting.
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jackp1028
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Posted: Nov 17 2020 at 7:44pm |
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You seldom see a 5 million Winchester with the word "Trademark" above the word "Winchester". (Ref CCNL 355-2) In my opinion, however, that would not push the value of this carbine up the the level implied by the "By Now" price or the suggested minimum bid. There are other things wrong with this carbine that would cancel out the value of this feature.
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GotSnlB28
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Posted: Nov 17 2020 at 7:55pm |
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That's a good call jackp, I knew it couldn't be the fake CC I see those all the time on GB!
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Bubba-7
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Posted: Nov 17 2020 at 8:02pm |
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What JackP says is true, and part of the answer. There is something that makes it unusual "because of the location of the trademark".
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New2brass
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Posted: Nov 17 2020 at 8:05pm |
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Possible reused serial number. Checking stamping dates 5749956 was the last serial applied on July 21 1944. we see the logo below the serial number till the 6.5 range (April 44) However the T3 carbines had the serial numbers applied in June to August 1944. The T3 carbines had the logo above the serial number. So it is possible they were running several machines and still phasing out logo below. See CCNLs 337, 355. There may be others with info |
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Bubba-7
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Posted: Nov 17 2020 at 8:40pm |
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I would think reused serial number is correct.
6466208 was earliest on record with the
trademark on top.
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painter777
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Posted: Nov 19 2020 at 2:28pm |
RM, Back in mid summer he was complaining about how poor the corn crop was doing. I believe BIG BUBBA may now have his own BIG BUBBAS' BOURBON line.  Charlie-P777
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03manV
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Posted: Nov 19 2020 at 2:30pm |
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Just so when the link goes dead(all auction links do), here is the mark in question.  Edited by New2brass - Nov 20 2020 at 9:40am |
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painter777
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Posted: Nov 19 2020 at 5:20pm |
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+1 Don,
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Posted: Nov 19 2020 at 5:34pm |
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Patrick_B
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Posted: Nov 19 2020 at 9:02pm |
You have nothing to be sorry for. If anyone does here it’s me. Re-reading this I see how my comments seemed to have been directed to you and it couldn’t have been further from the truth. The only thing on display here is my ignorance of Winchester Carbines. I didn’t catch that regarding the TM, and merely replied to the overall gun with the price/state/condition, and nothing more. I sincerely apologize for making you feel I was questioning you for posting something so specific. I make no excuse and didn’t mean anything toward you at all. The reason I didn’t pay attention to this specific thing on this Winchester is my fault. I’ve almost always been shy of them and Win M1’s as well but reasons for it are irrelevant here.
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welbytwo
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Posted: Nov 19 2020 at 9:21pm |
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jackp--you got a lower one then me but the 574xxxx has smoked us both--this is reason folks need to report to the CC club oddities they see-one thread has done away with my early reused serial trademark issue--its like what else is out there? a first block serial with trademark on top??? keep the knowledge and fotos coming--thanks
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Posted: Nov 19 2020 at 9:38pm |
OK, I'll ask, what is the other "something"? Why not just spell it out to begin with and ask for comments?
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Posted: Nov 19 2020 at 11:17pm |
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Is that a real recoil plate screw?
I can't seem to concentrate on it after seeing that Cartoon like CC and the price tags on the 30 and 15rd magazines. Butt plate stands out a bit. RM and MR, Good catch finding the Trademark on top. You guys do OK when sober !!  Charlie-P777
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Posted: Nov 20 2020 at 9:41am |
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@03man, thank you for posting pic for future readers
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Bubba-7
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Posted: Nov 24 2020 at 1:12pm |
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A 5.7 Winchester with the trade mark on top is very unusual.
So it has to be a re-used serial number. It may even be an Underwood receiver. I understand many carbine guys did not know about the location change of the Winchester TRADEMARK. I posted so those who did not know, now know. Buy the CC NLs and read them ten times. I took no offense.
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Posted: Nov 25 2020 at 9:37am |
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The news is the earliest known example of the Winch logo switch, not the circle p on the stock or the strange cartouche, correct?
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