7 May 2023 - Larry Ruth: The Collectibles!

*** UPDATE - 7 May 2023 ***

Fyi, all shown here are still available except for a few that may or may not be in the process of being sold. Once sold the item is removed and placed here: Sold: Carbines from the Larry Ruth Collection

!!!! MANY CARBINES NOW 10% LOWER !!!!
(see "Estimates" below)

Please read the following before asking questions, requesting additional info, or making an offer. All inquiries and offers should include the inventory number to help avoid confusion.
________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
General Info
General Condition: Most as purchased by Larry. Some were collectables preserved for their history, some were Larry’s reference collection with parts exchanged.

• Additional Info: May be available. Inquiries should be made using this forum's private message system.


• Photos: Additional photos may be available.


• Provenance: Provenance, history, etc. are an ongoing effort to match up. If not yet located they will be forwarded when found.


• Certificates: Will be provided with each carbine, certifying an item is from the Larry Ruth Collection (inventory number is used for reference)

Questions
The descriptions that follow are somewhat brief and tend to be specific to the particular gun. Please submit questions or a desire to purchase by private message here on the forum.

“Estimates”
The “Estimates” are not a selling price. They are a best guess at a bare minimum for a starting point. While not a fixed selling price, estimates may still be the selling price if your offer is the only offer.

***Effective immediately, unless indicated as no discount or a value with a question mark, you can take 10% off all estimates shown here as a starting point for offers.***

Offers
Offers at 10% less than the estimated values shown are now the starting point.

Know up front those not sold here may eventually be offered on Gunbroker or by Rock Island Auctions with a starting bid lower than these estimates. You can try for a lower purchase price there but keep the competition in mind along with the fees and costs involved when using these auction sites.

• Reasonable offers only please, unreasonable will not be considered.


• If more than one offer is received the sale will go to the highest offer. Offers and who made them are confidential to avoid bidding wars. There is no set time limit for offers but anticipate a week or two after posted below.


• Offers should be made using this forum's private message system. Please be patient if we don't respond immediately. We will do our best.


• Offers made will be considered a binding commitment. Backing out may nullify all offers you make. If this becomes too much conflict the item may go to an auction house for neutrality. Please keep in mind one of the goals in offering these to you here is to avoid the various fees charged by the auction houses/sites.

Payments
Money order, cashiers check, or personal check with shipment after payment clears. Directions for which family member to make the payment out too and where to send it will be provided to the person with the highest offer, privately.

Shipment
All firearms must go to an FFL or C&R (if eligible). Shipping is at cost and paid for by the buyer. The buyer will be provided with a total once we know the address the carbine will be shipped too. All carbines will be shipped via USPS Priority Registered Mail insured. This is the most secure means possible and not to be confused with "priority mail" as sometimes it can take a little longer depending on where the shipment is going.

Parts & Accessories

The family has an eBay account for selling these items: https://www.ebay.com/usr/ruthintheoutfield. If a part, accessory, book, etc. you wish to purchase is listed on their eBay account, if it has no bids, contact us here and we may be able to make it happen.
________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

The "Seller"
This forum and those who run it are not selling these carbines. This is simply an advertisement for those being sold by Larry's family. Possession, purchases, shipping, and costs are all handled by Larry's family.

Please work with us to make this as simple and up-front as possible for them, us, and you. Please be patient with responses to your questions and offers as this is time consuming work. Normally we'll get back to you the same day but sometimes it may take a day. Thanks much....

Jim

Note: Museums have strengths and weaknesses just as we all do. Financial difficulties are what caused some of these to be sold to collectors. U.S. military museums have been closing with their collections disappearing.

Edited by sleeplessnashadow - Jul 13 2023 at 5:17pm

(left click on an image to view a larger version)
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
#203 IBM Presentation s/n 3698680

Unknown who presented too. I.B.M hand stamp 807th serial number, large font 7-43 bbl.

Estimated Value: $6,800 (no discounts)































------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
#46 IBM Aberdeen Proving Grounds Springfield Armory Test Carbine s/n 3731809

Rechamberd to SCHV .224 for Aberdeen test.

Includes the other experimental muzzle brakes, bi-pod, two USGI magazines that were reformed to
accommodate the new round, and ammo. The APG tests are on the list to be found. A true piece of
carbine and military history.

War Baby vol III p 1288, fig 1337+ - Club Newsletter 343-3

Estimated Value: ?


















































Edited by sleeplessnashadow - Jul 08 2023 at 11:58pm

(left click on an image to view a larger version)
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
#111 National Postal Meter s/n 1450375

NPM's 363rd serial number. Underwood 12-42 bbl, early and interesting parts.

Estimated Value: $5,000 (no discounts)







































------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
#113 National Postal Meter/Commercial Controls no s/n

Sold by Commercial Controls to veteran NPM toolmaker Eric Liebich. Includes Commercial Controls letter of sale. Larry purchased this
from Eric's son, Herbert, also employed at Commercial Controls. Some have questioned the authenticity of this letter. Since then Larry and I
have located info on Liebich's background (started at Crosman in the 30's after immigrating from Germany). Including his obituary in a
Commercial Controls employee newsetter, The Bandwagon, at the Rochester library. Underwood 4-43 bbl. The green chamber flag has
been located and is included.

War Baby vol III p 826, p 1195 fig 1218

Estimated Value: 5,000 (no discounts)

























------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
#74 NPM/Inland NSN

No serial number or receiver markings. Letter P on front receiver ring. This is
one of the first Inland receivers provided to NPM for their initial setup before
production. RO bbl added by Larry. Stamped metal stock 1952 SA test with only 4
stocks made.

War Baby p1096 & p1285 fig 1333+

Estimated Value: $7,000



































Edited by sleeplessnashadow - Aug 02 2023 at 1:01am

(left click on an image to view a larger version)

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
#140 Standard Products 10mm Walter Hafler conversion s/n 2103550

Walter Hafler 10mm conversion. Crack behind recoil plate. Has provenance.

War Baby vol II p 765, War Baby vol III p 1578

Estimated Value: ?

























------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
#139 Standard Products S&W .40 S&W caliber Prototype, s/n 2220225
Choate stock. Provenance from S&W included. War Baby vol III p 1541, fig 1808, p 1649, fig 2018

Estimated Value: ?






















Edited by sleeplessnashadow - Jul 09 2023 at 12:14am

If you were automatically notified of an update to these posts go to the top and read the updated info. While all may appear to be the same there have been changes, additions, etc. Including a 10% reduction with estimated values.