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hunterman
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My 1.36 million Underwood with a 1-43 barrel, has a “W”
marked sear. WarBaby! Shows that
Winchester sent 4000 sears to Underwood in 2-43, another 2000 in 3-43, and
still another 2000 in 4-43. This
Winchester sear also has grind marks indicating Underwood, for a time in early
production, tried to adjust not only Underwood sears but those integrated from Winchester. Grind marks are on both top and bottom. |
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SSNPingjockey
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I guess some sears did not need adjustment?
Maybe this is one of those things where an adjusted and then hand-etched/engraved *U* sear was only an early thing in Underwoods, but just because it does not have one really doesn’t mean anything? Also, maybe they later realized that it was not necessary to adjust (made no difference) and stopped? Probably never know, but a cool variant. Thanks Glen and Bill! Bill....you have “earlyUEFitis”....very nice! And....contagious as heck.
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OAMAAM68
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Glen, I'll check these: 1365631 Underwood 3-43 1372242 Underwood 1-43 1374192 Underwood 2-43 1392496 Underwood 3-43 1422994 Underwood 4-43 1426777 Underwood 4-43 SF, Bill Update: Checked -- 1374192 is only one that appears original. The sear on it was not ground. I suspect some early sears were ground on the underside at the factory to bring them into spec and the partially or fully removed .U. was restored with an engraving pen. Edited by OAMAAM68 - Jan 27 2021 at 2:53pm |
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m1a1fan
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Funny, I had one that looked similar to the one shown by SSNPingJockey. Thought it was a punch mark and didn't notice the rest of the faint marking. No longer have the carbine to check, but it just goes to show looking at every detail is important.
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hunterman
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The sear on the right in the photograph is from a receiver in the serial number range from 1,350,000 to approximately 1,384,000. The sear in the center was loose in my parts bin. I notice some Underwood sears are marked on top. Perhaps they moved to a top marking to avoid hand-etching after grinding the bottom.
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carbinekid
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On the local gun show circuit (back when this still happened in Michigan) there’s an older gun that sells nothing but parts. He’s got lots of carbine stuff and always a bin of sears. I know I’ve seen the hand etched Underwood sears while digging through. I’ll definitely pick one up next time around now that we have a bit of an idea when they were used and that they aren’t the work of bubba.
Totally makes sense they would polish the sears to improve trigger pull. I’ve seen similar polishing on Winchester and Inland sears from the summer of 1943.
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SSNPingjockey
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So, in the photo of the 3 sears...plus mine as a 4th, what serial number ranges are these out of?
We have a 1357xxx and a 1359xxx, but what serials are the other 2 from? Anyone else out there able to check their sears in the very early UEFs? |
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hunterman
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THANK YOU!!
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SSNPingjockey
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Sorry, could not get 2nd photo to load well.
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SSNPingjockey
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Ok....we may be on to something.
My UEF 1357xxx is hand-scribed as well, except it is even fainter than your examples, Glen. I think Dan's hunch is probably correct. You can see where the stamped dimple of the left dot is and then the "U" was scribed after a shallow grind. I wonder if this has ever been previously documented? |
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SSNPingjockey
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Nice carbine!! I love early Underwoods. NOT an expensive or rare part; though may not have been handily available many years ago via the internet like today. You have found 2 of them in early carbines...which indicates to me (pure conjecture) that those sears, for whatever reason, likely left the plant that way. Just doesn't make sense that they were "Bubba" done to me.
Now I feel like I need to take my 1357xxx housing apart to look. Hmmm...guess I needed to do it eventually. I hate trying to get the sear and trigger springs back in. I have a trigger spring tool, but still a pain..lolol. |
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hunterman
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Dan, your WAG may be right. You can see the obvious depth of grind on the sear on the right. The sear on the left is not so deep, and the one in the center is not deep enough to remove the original marking. Edited by hunterman - Jan 25 2021 at 12:40pm |
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Lol, I tend to remember unusual things like this, but can't remember where I parked my car at Wally World, go figure! I do remember the bubba comments, although it's odd they went through trouble to etch .U. on it at a time when there was such a rush to get things up and started. Of course Underwood clearly cared about what kind of work they did so the etching could be perfectly legit. |
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New2brass
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Just my WAG, the sears were made, stamped ·U· and then either found to be out of spec or they were looking to improve trigger pull. They both look a little more than polished, a slight grind maybe. Look at them from the side. So evidently they touched up their markings. Somewhere in the newsletters of WB on the topic of parts interchangeability was that all parts would not need any fitting. However it was found that some sears had some tip polishing. The R/LT-Q hammers with etch were transfers. Hammers are hard and it is easier to etch then stamp.
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hunterman
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You have a good memory. The post was when I first acquired the 1.359 Underwood, and the sear was dismissed on CMP as bubba trying to improve the carbine. That made no sense to me then and makes less sense now with this almost identical sear from the same serial number range. Maybe it was a worker on break or killing time for some reason, but I don't think it was bubba. |
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G, have you ever posted about this issue before over on the CMP site? I have a reason for asking that based on an old thread over there I remember.
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hunterman
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Nothing obvious on the right side. Circle P on the bottom of the pistol grip.
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welbytwo
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any sign of GHD/UEF in bog box--seen several orig guns without cross cannons but all had the boxed letters
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hunterman
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No cross cannons. Here's the sling cut: |
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welbytwo
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nice looking gun--what was stock markings??
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