M1 Carbine Serial Number Spread Sheets
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Topic: M1 Carbine Serial Number Spread Sheets
Posted By: jackp1028
Subject: M1 Carbine Serial Number Spread Sheets
Date Posted: Feb 12 2021 at 10:48am
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Purpose of the S/N Spread Sheets: 1. Establish probable “Made By” dates. (Generally, it is assumed the “Made By” date is within one month of the barrel date unless otherwise in conflict with a documented historical event.) 2. Provide to collectors a link to the documented information such as Carbine of the Month Data Sheets, CCNL Articles, auction listings, written descriptions, photographs, etc. for listed serial numbers that may have historic significance or have been manufactured in the same timeframe as the collector’s carbine. 3. Identify timeframes and S/N ranges for specific carbine features. (Example: When did Winchester use Underwood receivers?) 4. If a carbine is offered for sale with a serial number that is close to one that is documented, the configuration can be compared to the descriptions in the provided links, helping to confirm the carbines originality. The serial numbers contained herein come from the following sources: 1. Larry Ruth’s “War Baby!” and “War Baby 3” documents specific events and the dates they occurred related to specific carbine serial numbers. 2. The Carbines of the Month (COM) featured in the 384 editions of the Carbine Club News Letters (CCNL’s) document specific information recognized as reliable about specific carbines. 3. Specific articles in the Carbine Club News Letters (CCNL’s) that include serial numbers, barrel dates and information of interest such as significant historical or technical information. 4. The Civilian Marksmanship Program. The CMP Completed Auction listings web site provides written descriptions and photographs of auctioned carbines that are believed to have come directly from the U. S. government and are free of reproduction parts. There are also
selected serial numbers recovered from archived CMP Auction web pages
from the past where barrel maker and barrel dates are noted. Unfortunately, the links are not available for these archived
listings. Here’s the link: https://cmpauction.thecmp.org/catalog.asp?catid=363&n=M1-Carbine&view=&show=closed" rel="nofollow - Civilian Marksmanship Program - Promoting firearms safety training! (thecmp.org) 5. The carbines showcased in the Carbine Collectors Club's "Featured Carbines" and "Carbines of the Collectors" forums. Also,
carbines appearing in the Bavarian Armory page of the Bavarian Carbines web site
located here: http://www.bavarianm1carbines.com/" rel="nofollow - - http://www.bavarianm1carbines.com/ Note" Clicking on the link in the PDF will take you
directly to the original posts noted above. 6. The serial numbers in these spread sheets do not necessarily include all submitted Data Sheets from Club members. We continue to encourage the submission of Data Sheets to grow the source of data for future possible updates. The Probable “Made By” Dates are estimated based on the following evidence: 1. Patterns that are indicated by consistent series of recorded barrel dates. Barrel dates that obviously conflict with reasonable manufacturing dates are noted “Inconsistent Barrel Date”. 2. Documented historical events from the War Baby! series of books showing specific dates. 3. In the case of Winchester, records showing the last receiver S/N stamped each day of production. This is not necessarily the date the carbine is completed. 4. Estimated "Made By" dates are generally supported by published monthly production quantities while taking the effect of scrap and unused serial numbers into consideration. Below are links to the PDF searchable spread sheets for each prime contractor (After launching a file, you can key "Ctrl F" to use the search function): http://uscarbinecal30.com/forum/CCNLs/Mfg%20Dates%20I.B.M.%20Rev%2005.pdf" rel="nofollow - http://uscarbinecal30.com/forum/CCNLs/Mfg%20Dates%20I.B.M.pdf" rel="nofollow - International Business Machines Corp. (I.B.M.) http://uscarbinecal30.com/forum/CCNLs/Mfg%20Dates%20Inland.pdf" rel="nofollow - Inland Division of General Motors http://uscarbinecal30.com/forum/CCNLs/Mfg%20Dates%20IP,%20Sag%20GR.pdf" rel="nofollow - Irwin-Pedersen Arms Co./Saginaw Steering, Gear Grand Rapids (IP/S’G’) http://uscarbinecal30.com/forum/CCNLs/Mfg%20Dates%20National%20Postal%20Meter.pdf" rel="nofollow - National Postal Meter (NPM) http://uscarbinecal30.com/forum/CCNLs/Mfg%20Dates%20Quality%20Hardware.pdf" rel="nofollow - Quality Hardware and Machine Co. (QHMC) http://uscarbinecal30.com/forum/CCNLs/Mfg%20Dates%20Rock-Ola.pdf" rel="nofollow - Rock-Ola Corporation http://uscarbinecal30.com/forum/CCNLs/Mfg%20Dates%20Saginaw%20S.G.pdf" rel="nofollow - Saginaw Steering Gear of General Motors (S.G.) http://uscarbinecal30.com/forum/CCNLs/Mfg%20Dates%20Standard%20Products.pdf" rel="nofollow - Standard Products Company http://uscarbinecal30.com/forum/CCNLs/Mfg%20Dates%20Underwood.pdf" rel="nofollow - Underwood Elliot Fisher Co. http://uscarbinecal30.com/forum/CCNLs/Mfg%20Dates%20Winchester.pdf" rel="nofollow - Winchester Repeating Arms Co. ------------- JackP |
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Posted By: W5USMC
Date Posted: Feb 12 2021 at 12:38pm
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What a great resource JackP, thanks for putting this together. ------------- Wayne USMC Retired NRA Life Member |
Posted By: 1989LX
Date Posted: Feb 12 2021 at 1:08pm
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This is fantastic! Thanks awfully for creating this! If someone has a serial number they want to add, are you taking serials to update the lists with? Because if so, I have an S'G' to contribute. ------------- USGI magazines are like potato chips, you can't have just one! |
Posted By: jackp1028
Date Posted: Feb 12 2021 at 1:28pm
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@1989XL, I welcome contributions but would prefer that they originate from a source that can later be independently referenced such as CCNL's, CMP Auction listings, Carbine Club "Featured Carbines" or "Carbines of the Collectors" or such sources as War Baby!. The key is that they should be documented in a way that readers can independently access the original source. Perhaps you can submit your S'G' in the "Carbines of the Collectors" forum along with photos and a Data Sheet and then it could be added to a future update of the spread sheet. ------------- JackP |
Posted By: GotSnlB28
Date Posted: Feb 12 2021 at 10:08pm
| @jackp thanks for putting this together! Nicely done. |
Posted By: jackp1028
Date Posted: Feb 12 2021 at 10:13pm
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@GotSnlB28, I didn't do it alone. I got help from New2brass, Hunterman, W5USMC and tenOCEE. Others have offered future help. Hopefully this will continue to grow. ------------- JackP |
Posted By: GotSnlB28
Date Posted: Feb 12 2021 at 10:44pm
Nice group effort guys. If I can be of any assistance let me know. |
jackp1028 wrote:Posted By: ncin1911
Date Posted: Feb 13 2021 at 7:54am
Very nice job fellows!  I fleshed out a similar spreadsheet for IBM using many of the same resources that compliments my IBM binder of notes and CCNL's.
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Posted By: NewScotlander
Date Posted: Feb 13 2021 at 8:42am
| For Inland production, the Saginaw receivers (700,000 thru 940,000+) were not produced in sequential order with the Inland receivers. See CCNL 346, page 4, second paragraph. Same with the second serial number block Saginaw receivers. |
Posted By: Charles
Date Posted: Feb 13 2021 at 9:34am
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It was great seeing my S'G' s serial number in that list, it's the first time I've ever seen it in print. Thanks guys. ------------- Charles Co B 1st Batl.115 Inf. Reg. 29th. Divi. 4.2 Heavy Mortar Co Retired Life member NRA |
Posted By: jackp1028
Date Posted: Feb 13 2021 at 11:02am
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@NewScotlander PM sent. ------------- JackP |
Posted By: jackp1028
Date Posted: Feb 15 2021 at 3:08pm
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@Charles, which S'G' was yours? I'll make a note. ------------- JackP |
Posted By: Nevinator
Date Posted: Feb 15 2021 at 5:36pm
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this is awesome! Thank you for your hard work. ------------- Retired First Sergeant, U.S. Army Retired LEO VFW Life Member NRA Life Member |
Posted By: Charles
Date Posted: Feb 15 2021 at 5:54pm
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Mine is # 3549164 It is the one with the hand carved stock from the Philippines my dad brought back. "THE GIFT" ------------- Charles Co B 1st Batl.115 Inf. Reg. 29th. Divi. 4.2 Heavy Mortar Co Retired Life member NRA |
Posted By: 03collector
Date Posted: Feb 15 2021 at 5:55pm
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Wow can't believe it great job on the spread sheet. I saw both my carbines my Inland sn. 938 and my Winchester sn. 1102913. Just posted pictures a few weeks ago keep up the good work. With covid shutting down so many shows this is all thats left to do. I have learned a lot in just a short time here.
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Posted By: jangle
Date Posted: Feb 15 2021 at 9:38pm
| I concur. My hat is off to you guys for all your hard work! |
Posted By: SSNPingjockey
Date Posted: Feb 16 2021 at 2:27pm
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Jack, Think you noted a new high WTA number. After looking at the Underwood section of your serial number compilation, there may be a new high number for the WTA serials. On the Club's page with the highest and lowest serial numbers known, is that s/n 2,404,928 is the highest Underwood serial for a WTA Winchester. Your new list now has 2,405,154 that was sold at CMP Auction #1790. Great job, by the way! Your work on the data and posting it is really appreciated.
------------- Chad USN Retired |
Posted By: SSNPingjockey
Date Posted: Feb 22 2021 at 11:22am
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UEF 1350262 is still alive! As a follow-up to Jack's post with the serial number spreadsheet, the Underwood section noted that UEF s/n 1350262 was a rifle used for testing. - First five of 500 carbines production tested Dec. 11, 1942 (WB pg 111) - Also used to test brazed trigger housing Mar. 13, 1943(WB pg 366). As a point of documentation of the rifles used for testing, this one is still alive and kicking and, as some may have seen, was sold on GB in either March or April of 2020. This is the only photo that I can locate that I saved from the auction. I also recall that the only original aspect of the rifle was the receiver and rear flip sight. The remainder, including the barrel I think, was all mix-master and neither early, nor UEF. I spoke to Dan and he reminded me that since Inland actually made the first receivers used by UEF through 1350209, that this receiver would actually be the 53rd receiver made by Underwood. (CCNL #259) 
------------- Chad USN Retired |
Posted By: jackp1028
Date Posted: Feb 22 2021 at 11:40am
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Great find!! I hope there are many more like this. ------------- JackP |
Posted By: Charles
Date Posted: Mar 27 2021 at 10:29am
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3549164 ------------- Charles Co B 1st Batl.115 Inf. Reg. 29th. Divi. 4.2 Heavy Mortar Co Retired Life member NRA |
Posted By: jackp1028
Date Posted: Mar 28 2021 at 6:38pm
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A few years ago the Carbine Collectors Club asked members for help in tracking down carbine serial numbers that fall in the gaps in known serial number ranges. Check out the "Serial Numbers to Look For and Report" article to see what we're looking to find. Perhaps as you use the Serial Number Spread Sheets you might discover a new serial number that falls in one of the gaps. Let us know so we can update the Clubs Serial Number web page. Here's a link to the original post: http://www.uscarbinecal30.com/forum/serial-numbers-to-look-for-and-report_topic1292.html?FID=4&PR=3" rel="nofollow - http://www.uscarbinecal30.com/forum/serial-numbers-to-look-for-and-report_topic1292.html?FID=4&PR=3 And here's the link to the Serial Number web page: http://www.uscarbinecal30.com/serialnumbers.html" rel="nofollow - http://www.uscarbinecal30.com/serialnumbers.html ------------- JackP |
Posted By: jackp1028
Date Posted: Apr 01 2021 at 9:30pm
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The following Serial Number Spread Sheets have been updated to reflect the noted additions. Inland Rev 13 Clarified Out-of-Sequence Saginaw receivers (CCNL 346 pg 4) Added S/N from "Carbines of the Collectors" article (03Collector's M1A1) Added S/N's from “Carbines Issued to Cannon Company” article Added S/N's from “Unofficial Lost Carbines” article QHMC Rev 08 Added S/N’s for Cast Part Testing (WB pg 129) Added S/N from "Carbines of the Collectors" article (bzh362’s QHMC) SG Rev 07 Added S/N from "Carbines of the Collectors" article (Hunterman's early SG) Added S/N's from “Carbines Issued to Cannon Company” article Added S/N's from “Unofficial Lost Carbines” article WRA Rev 10 Added S/N’s for Cast Part Testing, WB pg 129 Added S/N's from “Carbines Issued to Cannon Company” article Added S/N's from “Unofficial Lost Carbines” article IP/S’G’ Rev 08 Added S/N's from “Unofficial Lost Carbines” article ------------- JackP |
Posted By: m1a1fan
Date Posted: Apr 03 2021 at 12:29pm
| jack, are you also including auction carbines? Are pictures required? How about additional data like parts, markings, etc? |
Posted By: jackp1028
Date Posted: Apr 03 2021 at 1:05pm
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Ted, the only auction carbines I used are CMP's completed auctions. I considered others such as Rock Island, Gun Broker, etc. but found that these carbines were often messed with. CMP carbines are likely more original, without repro parts as obtained directly through the govt. I decided that in order to be listed, an independent source of information such as an auction listing, CCNL reference, War Baby! reference, Featured Carbine Article, etc. should be able to be independently accessed by the reader to get more information. Pictures and Data Sheets are preferred where practical but not always necessary. Some additional data is often noted in the spreadsheet like barrel maker, receiver subcontractor marking, etc. but I expect the reader to be able to get most of that kind of data from the referenced sources like War Baby!, CCNL's, auction listings, Carbine Club Forum articles, etc. Yeah, I know that not everyone has a CCNL library or all the War Baby! books. Maybe this will encourage them to make that investment. ------------- JackP |
Posted By: jackp1028
Date Posted: Apr 16 2021 at 11:15am
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All the Serial Number Spread Sheets have been updated to include notes regarding missing or skipped serial number ranges as described in the article, "Serial Numbers to Look for and Report". http://www.uscarbinecal30.com/forum/serial-numbers-to-look-for-and-report_topic1292.html?FID=53&PR=" rel="nofollow - http://www.uscarbinecal30.com/forum/serial-numbers-to-look-for-and-report_topic1292.html?FID=53&PR= In addition, minor changes have been made to the Saginaw SG "Made By" dates to reflect unused serial numbers and estimated scrapped receivers per CCNL 357. Finally, the IP/S'G' spread sheet has been revised to add Grand Rapid Serial Numbers used for Saginaw testing per WB pg 164. ------------- JackP |
Posted By: jackp1028
Date Posted: May 23 2021 at 10:28am
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The following Serial Number Spread Sheets have been updated to reflect the noted additions and corrections. Rock-Ola Rev 08 Adjusted “Made By” dates to reflect that Rock-Ola appeared to have skipped serial numbers in first block and also that Rock-Ola appeared to reused scrapped serial numbers. Ref CCNL 357-18 and “Serial Numbers to Look for and Report” article in the Club forum. Winchester Rev 12 Corrected inadvertently omitted description for serial number 5589709 S’G’/IP Rev 11 Corrected out-of-order serial numbers. Underwood Rev 10 Added “Private Collector” Serial numbers w/links. Moved Inland Lineouts in first section to Inland Spread Sheet. Inland Rev 15 Added Inland to Underwood Line-outs noted in CCNL’s previously listed on UEF Spread Sheet. Deleted serial number 10. This was a Winchester carbine, not Inland. Corrected missing “Made By” date for S/N 63102XX. ------------- JackP |
Posted By: Oldboy53
Date Posted: Jun 03 2021 at 7:13pm
| Hey, Jackp, just ran across this thread, great info in your spreadsheet! Thanks so much for your time and effort to produce this document. I've got a SP carbine, s/n 19928xx, that I've sent in a datasheet on. The s/n puts it less than a thousand after two of the 3rd test carbines that 'barely' passed muster! Don't know if that's good or not. Thanks again for your efforts! |
Posted By: jackp1028
Date Posted: Jul 10 2021 at 7:55pm
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The Serial Number Spread Sheets continue to grow. Please note the following changes and additions: 1. Added 22 select serial numbers recovered from archived CMP Auction web pages from the 2011-2013 timeframe. 2. Added 88 carbines appearing in the Bavarian Armory page of the Bavarian Carbines web site. 3. Corrected various missing dates and spelling errors. ------------- JackP |
Posted By: jackp1028
Date Posted: Oct 21 2021 at 5:30pm
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The Serial Number Spread Sheets have been updated to include the following additions and changes. Inland Rev 18 Added S/N 2730 with link to CCC article. Added note for S/N 122. Added S/N 270 with link to CCC article Added “Duplicate Serial Number” notes Made various minor format changes. Winchester Rev 15 Added “Duplicate Serial Number” notes Made various minor format changes. ------------- JackP |
Posted By: HammerGrunt
Date Posted: Oct 21 2021 at 9:50pm
| You can add the information on Inland 3446 that I posted in the Carbines of Collectors section. |
Posted By: jackp1028
Date Posted: Oct 23 2021 at 11:38am
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Hammer, I'll be adding it in the next update along with the early Winchester you got from Marcus. Any chance you could add Data Sheets to your original posts? It will help others to get a more complete picture of these original carbine's configurations. ------------- JackP |
Posted By: jackp1028
Date Posted: Oct 23 2021 at 5:46pm
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By the way, your Rock-Ola 1692988 "Carried on Iwo Jima" already appears in the Spread Sheet. I'll add a link so others can easily find the additional pictures you posted. ------------- JackP |
Posted By: Da1Chief
Date Posted: Nov 07 2021 at 7:45am
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Hello, Just wanted you to know that I am the proud owner of IBM AO M1 Carbine S/N = 3876727. It is alive and well in Suffolk, VA. According to "The Spreadsheet" that should put its MFG date somewhere around MID Feb 1944. Purchased at Local Gun Show (Virginia Beach, VA) from Vendor out of Florida. It is a Birch Wood SCB with matching SCB Birch Hand Guard. Most components seem to be correctly marked from that time period. Will be happy to answer all questions. Hope this helps fill in some of the questions V/r Da1Chief
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Posted By: jackp1028
Date Posted: Dec 01 2021 at 7:01pm
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It’s been a while since my last update. The following Serial Number Spread Sheets have been updated as noted. QHMC Rev 11 Corrected wrong link to CCC forum for S/N 4800691X IBM Rev 10 Added S/N 3800502 w/link to CCC article Winchester Rev 16 Added S/N 1091016 w/link to CCC article Inland Rev 19 Added link to CCC article for S/N 3446 Rock-Ola Rev 10 Added Link to CCC article for S/N 1692988 Underwood Rev 13 Corrected date of barrel endurance test for S/N’s 1350291 and 1446485. S/B 1944, not 1943. ------------- JackP |
Posted By: jackp1028
Date Posted: Apr 11 2022 at 11:13am
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Several of the Serial Number Spread Sheets have been updated to reflect recent CMP Completed Auctions and new "Carbines of the Collectors" additions. They are: Inland Rev 20 (S/N 5017) QHMC Rev 12 (S/N 1618707 and 4794514) Winchester Rev 17 (S/N 1346xxx and 5779405) Rock-Ola Rev 11 (S/N 1682665, 4620426 and 6214475) ------------- JackP |
Posted By: SSNPingjockey
Date Posted: Apr 11 2022 at 11:20am
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Here is another Inland s/n with "X" suffix. 941258X Barrel - Inland 11/1943  ------------- Chad USN Retired |
Posted By: jackp1028
Date Posted: Jun 19 2022 at 2:42pm
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The following Serial Number Spread Sheets have been updated to reflect the noted additions. IP/Grand Rapids Rev 14 Added S/N 1770578 S/N 1783161 S/N 3216210 Inland Rev 21 Added X-suffixed Inlands: S/N 947581X S/N 941056X Added S/N 812714 Winchester Rev 18 Added S/N 6508480 w/link to CCC article QHMC Rev 13 Added S/N 1881065 Rock-Ola Rev 12 Added S/N 4547872 ------------- JackP |
Posted By: jackp1028
Date Posted: Dec 22 2022 at 4:36pm
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It's time for another update to the Serial Number Spread Sheets. National Postal Meter Rev 10 Added NPM S/N’s shipped to OSS 1505587 1519675 1520545 1523234 1523414 1524000 1524096 1524276 1524376 1524457 1525843 1945011 I.B.M. Rev 11 Added 3940414 (ncin1922’s IBM) Inland Rev 22 Added S/N 5470895 (Rebel92’s Inland) Added S/N 206073 (M1Dude’s Inland) Added 12 M1A1’s used for interchangeability tests (per WB! pg 218) IP, Sag GR Rev 15 Corrected S/N error 1769224 1770579 Corrected Image Link 1783161 Underwood Rev 15 Added S/N 1359814 (Hunterman’s UEF) ------------- JackP |
Posted By: carbinekid
Date Posted: Dec 22 2022 at 8:55pm
| Noticed a correction needs to be made on Inland 812714. It has an 8-43 dated barrel, not 6-43. |
Posted By: jackp1028
Date Posted: Dec 22 2022 at 9:54pm
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Got it. It'll be corrected in the next update. Thanks! ------------- JackP |
Posted By: Rebel92
Date Posted: Dec 22 2022 at 10:36pm
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Awesome work Jack! But, I went to click on my link for the inland 5.4, and it won’t open/takes me to a blank page. Am I dumb or is the link not working?
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Posted By: W5USMC
Date Posted: Dec 22 2022 at 10:57pm
The link to your 5,470,895 works for me. ------------- Wayne USMC Retired NRA Life Member |
Posted By: Rebel92
Date Posted: Dec 22 2022 at 11:01pm
Wait, nope ain’t working on my phone. Interesting. Other links work find.
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Posted By: Oldboy53
Date Posted: Dec 23 2022 at 8:35am
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Inland made so many, maybe the file size is too big for your phone? ------------- GSMC(SW),USN 2/77-11/89 |
Posted By: jackp1028
Date Posted: Dec 23 2022 at 10:43am
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@Rebel92, check the download folder of your device. My Android also shows a blank page but the Inland file is actually already downloaded. All I had to do is click on the file name in the download folder. The file is not that big (760 kb). ------------- JackP |
Posted By: jackp1028
Date Posted: Dec 23 2022 at 11:12am
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UPDATE: I think if I had waited a little longer the Inland page would have appeared after the download was complete. Once downloaded the page now appears instantly. ------------- JackP |
Posted By: New2brass
Date Posted: Dec 23 2022 at 2:00pm
My computer browser I get a pop up asking to open, dowload, and a third option? My
phone just downloads it and I get a tiny notification. If i miss the
notification I have to look in my download folder, which android does
not make easy. Some phones may need an app to see the files.------------- http://www.uscarbinecal30.com/forum/club-assistance-saginaw-receivers_topic4716.html" rel="nofollow - Club Survey Saginaw Receivers |
jackp1028 wrote:Posted By: Rebel92
Date Posted: Dec 24 2022 at 12:16am
| For a millennial I am not good with technology. It still don’t work. I have checked my downloads and even you tubed it. Guess I need to get my computer out. I had ran in this a while back looking at other carbines, helping me learn what “real ones” look like. Some worked, some didn’t, but I eventually just started copying and pasting the url into the search bar on google and following the link from there |
Posted By: HammerGrunt
Date Posted: Dec 24 2022 at 9:43pm
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They all work fine on my Laptop. THANK YOU Jack for all the awesome research and work you put into these Data Sheets. I just sent you a PM with a very late Rock Ola that you can add to that list if you like. Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays All from Florida!
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Posted By: jackp1028
Date Posted: Feb 20 2023 at 10:19pm
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The following Serial Number Spread Sheets have been updated to reflect the noted additions. Inland Rev 23 Corrected barrel date on S/N 812714 Added S/N 3167679 (Lightning330’s Inland) Added S/N 5211723 (Rebel92’s Inland) Added S/N 2676 (pchanu’s Inland) Added 8 USS Hornet Armory Inland carbine S/N’s RockOla Rev 13 Added S/N 6216033 (Hammergrunt’s Rockola) QHMC Rev 14 Added S/N 4432997 (French addict’s Un-Quality) IBM Rev 12 Added 15 USS Hornet Armory IBM carbine S/N’s Underwood Rev 16 Added 1 USS Hornet Armory UEF carbine S/N Winchester Rev 19 Added 68 USS Hornet Armory WRA carbine S/N’s ------------- JackP |
Posted By: pchanu
Date Posted: Feb 21 2023 at 1:58am
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Hi Jack, The 2676 Inland became 2767 on the sheet 😜 Patrick
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Posted By: jackp1028
Date Posted: Feb 21 2023 at 10:32am
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Oops! Sorry. I'll fix it in the next release. ------------- JackP |
Posted By: jackp1028
Date Posted: Apr 21 2023 at 11:37am
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A lot has happened since the last Serial Number Spread Sheet update. Nearly 100 new serial numbers have been added affecting every prime contractor. These include: Added 28 carbines from the KSC Recovered Carbines article http://www.uscarbinecal30.com/forum/carbines-recovered-from-the-korean-war-battlefield_topic6625.html" rel="nofollow - http://www.uscarbinecal30.com/forum/carbines-recovered-from-the-korean-war-battlefield_topic6625.html Added 40 carbines from the following Larry Ruth Collection Posts Larry Ruth Collection: The Collectibles! http://www.uscarbinecal30.com/forum/larry-ruth-collection-the-collectibles_topic6579.html?SID=7568-b4e4a3f743e29ba896bd7734837963#55374" rel="nofollow - http://www.uscarbinecal30.com/forum/larry-ruth-collection-the-collectibles_topic6579.html?SID=7568-b4e4a3f743e29ba896bd7734837963#55374 Larry Ruth Collection: War Baby GI Carbines http://www.uscarbinecal30.com/forum/larry-ruth-collection-war-baby-gi-carbines_topic6547.html#55307" rel="nofollow - http://www.uscarbinecal30.com/forum/larry-ruth-collection-war-baby-gi-carbines_topic6547.html#55307 Sold: Carbines from the Larry Ruth Collection http://www.uscarbinecal30.com/forum/sold-carbines-from-the-larry-ruth-collection_topic6550.html#55492" rel="nofollow - http://www.uscarbinecal30.com/forum/sold-carbines-from-the-larry-ruth-collection_topic6550.html#55492 Note: As the Larry Ruth carbines are being sold the posts are being removed from the “For Sale” threads and added to the “Sold” thread. This may result in the links changing in the Spread Sheets over time but all the images will continue to be available on the Club Forum. Added 16 Winchester carbines from the “Perry Six” and “Box-of-Ten” articles in CCNL #371 Added S/N 7245907 (HammerGrunt’s Winchester carbine) Added S/N 6502490 (wpmcqjr’s Winchester carbine) ------------- JackP |
Posted By: jackp1028
Date Posted: Jul 11 2023 at 3:05pm
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As I prepare to update the Serial Number Spread Sheets, one step I take is to see if there are any "new" CMP Auctions to be added. It turns out that there has only been one since the last update, but this one is unique. https://cmpauction.thecmp.org/detail.asp?id=8170&n=M1-Carbine-Winchester-Service-Grade-1027492" rel="nofollow - https://cmpauction.thecmp.org/detail.asp?id=8170&n=M1-Carbine-Winchester-Service-Grade-1027492 It turns out that this one was already in the Spread Sheet from a previous auction. It is not uncommon for there to be multiple Completed Auctions for the same serial number. I guess an auction transaction can be cancelled for some unknown reason and the item relisted. What is not common is that the carbine has been refinished since the first listing which is the case for this carbine. Take a look at the original listing here to see the difference. https://cmpauction.thecmp.org/detail.asp?id=2131&n=M1-Carbine-Winchester-1027492" rel="nofollow - https://cmpauction.thecmp.org/detail.asp?id=2131&n=M1-Carbine-Winchester-1027492 It looks like all the original parts are the same but with a fresh Parkerized finish. I have never seen this before! I guess you can't always count on CMP Auction carbines to be un-altered. Has anyone noticed this before? ------------- JackP |
Posted By: MilsurpsUSGI
Date Posted: Jul 11 2023 at 4:28pm
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Most Early and Winchester Parts?? I kinda wonder about that statement, especially if you start counting them. Are the "parts listing pages" (with references) following the pictures something new, or have they been doing that for awhile? I'd much rather have the original finish with the blued bolt. - Bob |
Posted By: jackp1028
Date Posted: Jul 11 2023 at 5:17pm
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I have only seen the CMP data sheet pages on new listings. At least it looks like they kept all the original parts together when they refinished this carbine. ------------- JackP |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: Aug 07 2023 at 12:09pm
| I have a National Postal Meter serial # 4300925. That would put it late 43 or early 44. It has an undated IBM Corp barrel. Thanks |
Posted By: Oldboy53
Date Posted: Aug 07 2023 at 1:30pm
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Good morning Mike. Firstly, you should join this little community. There are many knowledgeable folks here that can answer any number of questions you might have. That would also allow you to post pics of your carbine(s), and who doesn't like pics?  Secondly, the spread sheets show that s/n's probable 'made by' date would have been April '44. Hope that helps you. There's a link to the spread sheets back at the beginning of this thread. Best regards, Lou. ------------- GSMC(SW),USN 2/77-11/89 |
Posted By: Dan Pinto
Date Posted: Aug 07 2023 at 10:00pm
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@jack The cmp sometimes receives donations of carbines from individual as a donation. It is possible someone bought it. Swapped parts and then donated
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Posted By: jackp1028
Date Posted: Aug 13 2023 at 2:16pm
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As mentioned in a previous post, when carbines from the Larry Ruth collection are sold, the post for the listing will be moved from the "For Sale" thread to the "Sold" thread. The Spread Sheets have been updated to reflect these link changes so that users will continue to have quick access to all the original posts. Also, additional Larry Ruth Estate sale listings have been added to the Spread Sheets, noted below. Inland Added S/N 289 Added S/N XG67 Underwood Added S/N 4025211 Added S/N E-158 Added S/N 2490363 Standard Products Added S/N 2203018 IP/Saginaw GR Added S/N 1822853 National Postal Meter Added S/N 4308995 Other additions include: S/N 14880xx (Bkell3563’s NPM) S/N’s 1470868 and 1507630 (jangle’s NPM’s) ------------- JackP |
Posted By: jackp1028
Date Posted: Dec 06 2023 at 12:18pm
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It’s been a while since the last update, so here it goes. This is very similar to the last update in that it revises links to the LR Collection posts to reflect the “Sold” items. Also a few member’s carbines are being added along with some new CMP Auction carbines (including the Winchester that was refinished). Saginaw and NPM Spread Sheets have not changed. Inland Rev 26 Added links to the post where these X suffixed Inlands were mentioned. Unfortunately there were no pictures or Data Sheets posted. S/N 941258X (SSNPingjockey's Inland) S/N 945784X (Bubba-7’s Inland S/N 947620X (Bubba-7’s Inland) S/N 948023X (Chipin’s Inland) S/N 44 Revised LR Collection Link S/N 435004 Revised LR Collection Link S/N XC9 Revised LR Collection Link Added S/N 5237546 (ArturS’s Inland) Rock-Ola Rev 16 Added the following w/Type 1 Spring Tube Receivers S/N 1662521 S/N 1665165 S/N 1665311 Added S/N 1672810 (Rcycles45 Rock-Ola) IBM Rev 15 Added S/N 3852420 (Pete51577’s IBM) Underwood Rev 19 S/N 2490363 Revised LR Collection Link S/N 2482283 Revised LR Collection Link Standard Products Rev 13 S/N 2089570 Added CMP Auction Listing IP/Saginaw GR Rev 18 S/N 1765761 Revised LR Collection Link S/N 1777954 Revised LR Collection Link S/N 1822853 Revised LR Collection Link S/N 3232731 Added CMP Auction Listing Winchester Rev 21 S/N 1024697 Revised LR Collection Link S/N 1027492 Added CMP Auction Listing (Refinished) Added Pre-production Prototype, LR Collection Quality Hardware Rev 16 S/N 4448676 Added CMP Auction Listing S/N Q-EX/4 Revised LR Collection Link ------------- JackP |