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Originally posted by tenOCEE tenOCEE wrote:

I doubt I could paper that well.

Some of that Marine Corp training never goes away! Although I did cheat and used my range bag to shoot off of this time.
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Some of that Marine Corp training never goes away! 

Yes, but 100 yards sure does look a lot farther than it used too!! Cannot even imagine hitting a target at 500 yards anymore.
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Originally posted by W5USMC W5USMC wrote:

Originally posted by Mekc57 Mekc57 wrote:

Some of that Marine Corp training never goes away! 

Yes, but 100 yards sure does look a lot farther than it used too!! Cannot even imagine hitting a target at 500 yards anymore.
I hear ya brother!
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I found a local older man locally that does some restorations. He’s going to check his stock for serial # correct parts for me. I’ll see what he comes up with in a couple of days. Who knows what I’ll find. I’d like to get rid of the braised trigger group housing at least. Maybe some other time period correct parts wouldn’t be bad either. He was recommended by a couple different local guys including Ted Brown of Shooter Den. 
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I guess I was wrong about my trigger group housing. It’s an IBM fabricated and not a Quality hardware. The marking look almost the same but it’s fabricated. 

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Originally posted by Mekc57 Mekc57 wrote:

Originally posted by floydthecat floydthecat wrote:

Not uncommon to see carbines with the windage adjustment ran all way over against the left stop. I have handled one carbine that had windage set all way to the right stop and it was a Plainfield.

If you can’t get it to print left with the rear sight all way over you can also drift the sight body left, but it might be time to see how straight the barrel is. Pretty sure you had already verified index-mark alignment.

Thanks Floyd,
The index marks are right on. It dose look like the rear sight dove tail isn’t really centered but it’s staked heavily with a punch.It will still do the job though! I have other equipment for long range. At least I know it will run reliably. I would be afraid to try and drift the rear sight over for fear it would break it loose and it not hold in place after.

 Mekc57, regarding your rear sight position, it definitely is a bit right of center, and possibly enough to be causing the need to adjust left. Still, I'd suggest you double down on your natural point of aim (NPA). I'm sure they taught you that in basics. When a buddy finally explained it to me it made a huge difference in my scores in High Power competition and my rifles suddenly started shooting "straighter".

 As I recall most of my rear sights are pretty much centered, but I've found that there's more to windage than I thought. Sometimes on calm days I can center my groups on the 100 yd. target, then shoot at the 200 yd. target, which only requires I shift the sandbags slightly right, and my groups may be slightly off center. Not much, just a 4"-5", but enough to bug me. I haven't figured out if it's different lighting or what.

  For me, the #1 most important thing is sight picture, which is a little difficult with the coarse front sights of the Carbine. My 100 steel is a 12" piece of AR500. 

 

 It makes for a pretty fair sight picture as it's just slightly wider than the front sight. But I have to be super careful with the sight picture or my groups string vertically. 

 This is my 200 yd. target; a 24" piece of AR500. 

 

 The white circle in the center is just barely visible to my eyes (which recently celebrated their 58th birthday Ouch). This target is much easier for me to shoot good groups on and there have been many instances when a load might group 3" at 100 yds., then well under 6" at 200 yds., due to the better sight picture.

  I said all that to say, make sure you have a good target that works with your eyes. I'm dying to go start competing with a Carbine in the CMP matches, but I'm going to have to figure out a way to shoot good on the SR-1 target as a black bull and those front sight don't gee and haw for me.

 Please keep posting targets, they're very enjoyable to see.
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Whalen,
Nice shootin Tex! Good looking Carbine you have there.
Thanks for the input. 

I’ve got a couple years on you at 63 and every year my eyes seem to get worse.
I don’t shoot for your kind of accuracy by any means.

 I do know about “Natural point of aim”. I do the best I can shooting off my range bag from the aloud sitting positions at our range. They also do not allow any steel targets or frames. Only wood and paper so kind of limited there too.
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Originally posted by Mekc57 Mekc57 wrote:

Whalen,
Nice shootin Tex! Good looking Carbine you have there.
Thanks for the input. 

I’ve got a couple years on you at 63 and every year my eyes seem to get worse.
I don’t shoot for your kind of accuracy by any means.

 I do know about “Natural point of aim”. I do the best I can shooting off my range bag from the aloud sitting positions at our range. They also do not allow any steel targets or frames. Only wood and paper so kind of limited there too.

 Thanks, thanks, and you're welcome.

 I recently read that someone uses 8 1/2" x 11" printer paper stapled edgeways as at 100 yds. it's just about as wide as the front sight. Might be worth a try.

  Keep shooting and keep posting those targets!
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Other weapons out there suffer from the same issues with accuracy as the carbine. Any center-fire rifle wearing a pencil thin barrel is not usually going to be all that accurate, Mini 14 being a good example. Shooters like me just need to keep their expectations within themselves. The carbine was never intended to be anything but a torso shooter and it is up to that task. For me, it is a gun made in heaven and I am perfectly happy with coffee-can at 25 yard accuracy. My carbines have dispatched any number of troublesome pest within the realm of what I mow around my house. I guess I am just lucky that way.😁 
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Originally posted by floydthecat floydthecat wrote:

Other weapons out there suffer from the same issues with accuracy as the carbine. Any center-fire rifle wearing a pencil thin barrel is not usually going to be all that accurate, Mini 14 being a good example. Shooters like me just need to keep their expectations within themselves. The carbine was never intended to be anything but a torso shooter and it is up to that task. For me, it is a gun made in heaven and I am perfectly happy with coffee-can at 25 yard accuracy. My carbines have dispatched any number of troublesome pest within the realm of what I mow around my house. I guess I am just lucky that way.😁 

I’m happy with what I shot yesterday. A touch low but that target has an 8” 10 ring. I don’t think that’s bad at 100 yds at all. At least for me!
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I talked with the local elderly man and it sounds like he has all the appropriate parts to bring my carbine back to as built condition. I’m going to go meet with him on Monday and see what the deal is. He said he has the correct bolt, trigger housing, hammer spring, hammer and stock and he’s willing to trade out my parts for what he has. He comes highly recommended by 2 different well known gun smiths in the aria.
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I wasn’t planning on doing a “restoration” project on this carbine but………. If I can get some original parts for a reasonable price I’m not opposed to that.
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I saw the local carbine restoration specialist today. Turned out my stock is an Inland cartouche Rock-o-la. So it is probably original to the gun. His replacement parts are Parkerized and my carbine is blued so I decided to leave it as is. Oh and the dog leg hammer is indeed HI, Inland and probably an original piece. I’m glad I had the chance to talk with the gentleman and happy to leave well enough alone.
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I’m guessing the two local m1 carbine guys don’t know as much as they try and make out.
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so I’m confused a bit on the cartouche on my stock. The old guy I showed it to said it was an inland. I checked the examples on this site and it doesn’t look like the quality hardware shown there at all. Did quality use a different, larger stamp at one time? A lot of the detail is gone from my stock so it’s hard to tell for sure but the cannons look different and extend longer past the ring than the quality cartouche shown in your examples 

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QHMC did use a large crossed cannon until mid 1943.
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Originally posted by W5USMC W5USMC wrote:

QHMC did use a large crossed cannon until mid 1943.

Ok, thank you! I’ve been digging around trying to find examples with no luck and it’s been driving me crazy.
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Originally posted by Mekc57 Mekc57 wrote:

Originally posted by W5USMC W5USMC wrote:

QHMC did use a large crossed cannon until mid 1943.

Ok, thank you! I’ve been digging around trying to find examples with no luck and it’s been driving me crazy.

Under "Newsworthy Items" there are some ofthe best examples.
Here's an early Quality Hardware
http://www.uscarbinecal30.com/forum/featured-carbine-quality-hardware-4645574_topic1300.html

When using the search function, under 'advanced search' its often helpful to change the time frame to 'all'.  And also to check both Topic and message body for the key words.
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Thanks Matt,
If that’s an early QHMC cross canon stamp then it just raises more questions in my mind. I have a high wood, I cut RMC stamped stock but the Cross cannons don’t look like that. Besides being bigger there’s more detail at the base of the cannon and the barrel extends much farther past the top of the ring. Not that it is, but it looks more like the WRA cartouche in detail to me.I think the size is why the guy I brought it to said it was an inland mark. He said Inland used the largest cartouche 


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the featured carbine has the small QHMC stamp. The fact that it is on an Icut stock was mentioned.
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