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metro@127
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Posted: Sep 27 2021 at 4:21pm |
Newby (obviously) Vietnam Vet, retired machinist, FAA Aircraft & Powerplant mechanic & Inspector, (A&P-IA) restore old airplanes, cars and build hot rods. Live on a "Poor-Boy" private airport outside of Temple, Tx. I hold an 03 Curio & Relic firearm license and an 07 Manufacture's license (yea, the build a machinegun one).
I have a small local police department that is interested in a demonstration of a selective fire M2 carbine. Which of the commercially produced M1 carbine actions are IDENTICAL or very close to the military and are strong enough for selective fire? Prefer a forged receiver. Which usgi bolt is strongest and will fit the commercial action? I can make the required "extra" parts, some found on page 12 of the NFA handbook. I do have a full machine shop if the commercial receivers needed "tweaking" (I can convert an M1A to an M14 selective fire to give you an idea of my capabilities, all for law enforcement demo or LE sales samples only)
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floydthecat
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I think the only commercial that produced forged receivers in large numbers was Universal. You would need one with a low serial number and the lower the better…well below 100,000 to insure USGI compatibility.
Fulton Armory might be a better choice and a BR can be had to build from. You will need to make some changes to a complete M1 anyway, so why buy a complete carbine. I would say any USGI Round Bolt will be as good as any other. The type III has all the ordnance upgrades. I bet I have just touched the surface here and others will chime-in. Good Luck!
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floydthecat
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Plainfield did manufacture a low number of M2’s marketed to police agencies and overseas. They also manufactured conversion kits. They were obviously built on Plainfield cast receivers. For demo purposes, the right cast receiver could possibly be considered.
I think many forum members could certainly suggest WHAT RECEIVER NOT to choose for sure.
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DonFlynn
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My understanding is the only commercial receivers that were considered USGI spec were Springfield Armory and Fulton Armory. Both were/are made by LMT.
Fulton doesn't list them as in stock at the moment but that changes every now and them, I know they listed them for sale a couple weeks ago
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floydthecat
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There is just not that much “cheap” carbine stuff out there at the moment. You can find good GI receivers for under $400 and generally resell it when your done with your project. Used barrels can be had for close to $100. These are the import marked or presumably shot-out take-offs and would function just fine. I recently bought an import marked take-off for $80 that shoots as good as any I have.
Generally, one can invest as much or more on a carbine build as opposed to just buying a complete one. I’d go back to a Plainfield or a gen-1 Universal. Most of the currently produced junk is just junk. Some Iver Johnson’s might be okay, but they got seriously sloppy in the latter days of production.
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DonFlynn
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I can guarantee good USGI receivers will become scarce after the end of the year, I'm looking for a Inland summer 1944 one to use with a 6/44 Inland barrel I have to build a Carbine after the holidays and I get a new one from Fulton done that I have on order. Don's rules of life, anytime I look for something like that they disappear faster than a sandwich in front of Michael Moore
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New2brass
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You have an SOT7, so I would think it would be easier to buy the required parts rather than the time to make the parts needed. They are available, normal citizens cannot possess all 7 parts If you are demoing a M2 why chance failures with a commercial receiver? If you are looking to save a few$ I would go with a Fulton. New made barrels are available. The M1 and M2 receivers are identical dimension wise. Inland when working on both removed the number 1 (M1) from the front ring roll die. They would hand stamp a 1 or 2 based on the final configuration. For anyone not a SOT, there are 7 parts that are considered for M2 use only From the ATF website Possession of an unregistered M-2 conversion kit, which consists of the following seven parts, constitutes possession of an unregistered NFA firearm; regardless of whether or not assembled;
The TH, Slide, Sear, Hammer, stock are not considered M2 use only and considered the latest revision for the M1, M1a1, M2, M3 carbines |
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