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jackp1028
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A few years ago the Carbine Collectors Club asked members for help in tracking down carbine serial numbers that fall in the gaps in known serial number ranges. Check out the "Serial Numbers to Look For and Report" article to see what we're looking to find. Perhaps as you use the Serial Number Spread Sheets you might discover a new serial number that falls in one of the gaps. Let us know so we can update the Clubs Serial Number web page.
Here's a link to the original post: http://www.uscarbinecal30.com/forum/serial-numbers-to-look-for-and-report_topic1292.html?FID=4&PR=3 And here's the link to the Serial Number web page: http://www.uscarbinecal30.com/serialnumbers.html |
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jackp1028
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The following Serial Number Spread Sheets have been updated to reflect the noted additions.
Inland Rev 13 Clarified Out-of-Sequence Saginaw receivers (CCNL 346 pg 4) Added S/N from "Carbines of the Collectors" article (03Collector's M1A1) Added S/N's from “Carbines Issued to Cannon Company” article Added S/N's from “Unofficial Lost Carbines” article QHMC Rev 08 Added S/N’s for Cast Part Testing (WB pg 129) Added S/N from "Carbines of the Collectors" article (bzh362’s QHMC) SG Rev 07 Added S/N from "Carbines of the Collectors" article (Hunterman's early SG) Added S/N's from “Carbines Issued to Cannon Company” article Added S/N's from “Unofficial Lost Carbines” article WRA Rev 10 Added S/N’s for Cast Part Testing, WB pg 129 Added S/N's from “Carbines Issued to Cannon Company” article Added S/N's from “Unofficial Lost Carbines” article IP/S’G’ Rev 08 Added S/N's from “Unofficial Lost Carbines” article Edited by jackp1028 - Apr 02 2021 at 9:56am |
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m1a1fan
Hard Corps Got Para? Joined: Jan 01 2016 Location: Virginia Status: Offline Points: 1736 |
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jack, are you also including auction carbines? Are pictures required? How about additional data like parts, markings, etc?
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jackp1028
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Ted, the only auction carbines I used are CMP's completed auctions. I considered others such as Rock Island, Gun Broker, etc. but found that these carbines were often messed with. CMP carbines are likely more original, without repro parts as obtained directly through the govt.
I decided that in order to be listed, an independent source of information such as an auction listing, CCNL reference, War Baby! reference, Featured Carbine Article, etc. should be able to be independently accessed by the reader to get more information. Pictures and Data Sheets are preferred where practical but not always necessary. Some additional data is often noted in the spreadsheet like barrel maker, receiver subcontractor marking, etc. but I expect the reader to be able to get most of that kind of data from the referenced sources like War Baby!, CCNL's, auction listings, Carbine Club Forum articles, etc. Yeah, I know that not everyone has a CCNL library or all the War Baby! books. Maybe this will encourage them to make that investment. Edited by jackp1028 - Apr 03 2021 at 2:35pm |
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jackp1028
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All the Serial Number Spread Sheets have been updated to include notes regarding missing or skipped serial number ranges as described in the article, "Serial Numbers to Look for and Report".
http://www.uscarbinecal30.com/forum/serial-numbers-to-look-for-and-report_topic1292.html?FID=53&PR= In addition, minor changes have been made to the Saginaw SG "Made By" dates to reflect unused serial numbers and estimated scrapped receivers per CCNL 357. Finally, the IP/S'G' spread sheet has been revised to add Grand Rapid Serial Numbers used for Saginaw testing per WB pg 164. |
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jackp1028
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The following Serial Number Spread Sheets have been updated to reflect the noted additions and corrections.
Rock-Ola Rev 08 Adjusted “Made By” dates to reflect that Rock-Ola appeared to have skipped serial numbers in first block and also that Rock-Ola appeared to reused scrapped serial numbers. Ref CCNL 357-18 and “Serial Numbers to Look for and Report” article in the Club forum. Winchester Rev 12 Corrected inadvertently omitted description for serial number 5589709 S’G’/IP Rev 11 Corrected out-of-order serial numbers. Underwood Rev 10 Added “Private Collector” Serial numbers w/links. Moved Inland Lineouts in first section to Inland Spread Sheet. Inland Rev 15 Added Inland to Underwood Line-outs noted in CCNL’s previously listed on UEF Spread Sheet. Deleted serial number 10. This was a Winchester carbine, not Inland. Corrected missing “Made By” date for S/N 63102XX. |
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Oldboy53
On Point Joined: May 19 2021 Location: Middle TN Status: Offline Points: 101 |
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Hey, Jackp, just ran across this thread, great info in your spreadsheet! Thanks so much for your time and effort to produce this document. I've got a SP carbine, s/n 19928xx, that I've sent in a datasheet on. The s/n puts it less than a thousand after two of the 3rd test carbines that 'barely' passed muster! Don't know if that's good or not. Thanks again for your efforts!
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jackp1028
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The Serial Number Spread Sheets continue to grow. Please note the following changes and additions:
1. Added 22 select serial numbers recovered from archived CMP Auction web pages from the 2011-2013 timeframe. 2. Added 88 carbines appearing in the Bavarian Armory page of the Bavarian Carbines web site. 3. Corrected various missing dates and spelling errors. |
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jackp1028
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The Serial Number Spread Sheets have been updated to include the following additions and changes.
Inland Rev 18 Added S/N 2730 with link to CCC article. Added note for S/N 122. Added S/N 270 with link to CCC article Added “Duplicate Serial Number” notes Made various minor format changes. Winchester Rev 15 Added “Duplicate Serial Number” notes Made various minor format changes. |
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HammerGrunt
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You can add the information on Inland 3446 that I posted in the Carbines of Collectors section.
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jackp1028
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Hammer, I'll be adding it in the next update along with the early Winchester you got from Marcus. Any chance you could add Data Sheets to your original posts? It will help others to get a more complete picture of these original carbine's configurations.
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jackp1028
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By the way, your Rock-Ola 1692988 "Carried on Iwo Jima" already appears in the Spread Sheet. I'll add a link so others can easily find the additional pictures you posted.
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Da1Chief
On Point Joined: Oct 16 2021 Location: Suffolk, VA Status: Offline Points: 127 |
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Hello, Just wanted you to know that I am the proud owner of IBM AO M1 Carbine S/N = 3876727. It is alive and well in Suffolk, VA. According to "The Spreadsheet" that should put its MFG date somewhere around MID Feb 1944. Purchased at Local Gun Show (Virginia Beach, VA) from Vendor out of Florida. It is a Birch Wood SCB with matching SCB Birch Hand Guard. Most components seem to be correctly marked from that time period. Will be happy to answer all questions. Hope this helps fill in some of the questions V/r Da1Chief
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jackp1028
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It’s been a while since my last update. The following Serial Number Spread Sheets have been updated as noted.
QHMC Rev 11 Corrected wrong link to CCC forum for S/N 4800691X IBM Rev 10 Added S/N 3800502 w/link to CCC article Winchester Rev 16 Added S/N 1091016 w/link to CCC article Inland Rev 19 Added link to CCC article for S/N 3446 Rock-Ola Rev 10 Added Link to CCC article for S/N 1692988 Underwood Rev 13 Corrected date of barrel endurance test for S/N’s 1350291 and 1446485. S/B 1944, not 1943. Edited by jackp1028 - Dec 01 2021 at 7:18pm |
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jackp1028
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Several of the Serial Number Spread Sheets have been updated to reflect recent CMP Completed Auctions and new "Carbines of the Collectors" additions. They are:
Inland Rev 20 (S/N 5017) QHMC Rev 12 (S/N 1618707 and 4794514) Winchester Rev 17 (S/N 1346xxx and 5779405) Rock-Ola Rev 11 (S/N 1682665, 4620426 and 6214475) |
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SSNPingjockey
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Here is another Inland s/n with "X" suffix.
941258X Barrel - Inland 11/1943 |
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jackp1028
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The following Serial Number Spread Sheets have been updated to reflect the noted additions.
IP/Grand Rapids Rev 14 Added S/N 1770578 S/N 1783161 S/N 3216210 Inland Rev 21 Added X-suffixed Inlands: S/N 947581X S/N 941056X Added S/N 812714 Winchester Rev 18 Added S/N 6508480 w/link to CCC article QHMC Rev 13 Added S/N 1881065 Rock-Ola Rev 12 Added S/N 4547872 |
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jackp1028
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It's time for another update to the Serial Number Spread Sheets.
National Postal Meter Rev 10 Added NPM S/N’s shipped to OSS 1505587 1519675 1520545 1523234 1523414 1524000 1524096 1524276 1524376 1524457 1525843 1945011 I.B.M. Rev 11 Added 3940414 (ncin1922’s IBM) Inland Rev 22 Added S/N 5470895 (Rebel92’s Inland) Added S/N 206073 (M1Dude’s Inland) Added 12 M1A1’s used for interchangeability tests (per WB! pg 218) IP, Sag GR Rev 15 Corrected S/N error 1769224 1770579 Corrected Image Link 1783161 Underwood Rev 15 Added S/N 1359814 (Hunterman’s UEF) |
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carbinekid
On Point Joined: Jan 24 2016 Location: SE Michigan Status: Offline Points: 438 |
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Noticed a correction needs to be made on Inland 812714. It has an 8-43 dated barrel, not 6-43.
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jackp1028
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Got it. It'll be corrected in the next update. Thanks!
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